The U.S. recorded about 12,500 deaths from the swine flu between April 2009 and April 2010, according to CDC estimates. But what are facts—or dead bodies, for that matter—in the face of the Trump administration’s commitment to not acknowledging reality?

When asked for a response to the statements made by Obama on the leaked phone call White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said, “President Trump’s coronavirus response has been unprecedented and saved American lives,” reported CNN.

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In the phone call with his former White House staffers, Obama also referenced the recent dropped charges against former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who had pled guilty to lying to the FBI, as evidence of the risks currently facing America.