Isiah Whitlock (Dimitrios Kambouris/Getty Images)

We are officially 40! That’s right; Unique Views, the little podcast that could, the Sanford and Son of podcasts, has made it to 40 episodes, and we aren’t slowing down. In fact, we are speeding up. Hopefully I will pick up enough speed to lose Patti LaDanielle, aka Ms. Patti Patti, aka Senior Liturgical Dance Specialist for The Root Danielle Young. As it stands, she is holding on for dear life.

Anyway, we got to talk to Clay Davis—or, rather, Isiah Whitlock, who played Clay Davis. Who can forget the iconic politician from The Wire and his even more iconic “Sheeeeiiitttt!”? We had a lovely conversation with Clay Davis—I mean, Isiah Whitlock—about all the great things he’s got going on, including his role in Cars 3 as the voice of River Scott, inspired by Wendell Scott, the first African-American driver in NASCAR and the first African American to win a race in the Grand National Series.

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Do you know that Ms. Patti Patti asked him to say his Wire catchphrase? Did I push her to do it? Of course I did, but you’re going to have to listen to see if he was willing to oblige two fans.

But it totally got us thinking about whether iconic roles ruin a career. Like, can J.J. from Good Times play anything besides J.J.? And whenever Ms. Patti Patti and I talk about Coming to America, Patti LaDanielle calls John Amos “the father from Good Times.

We also discuss SheaMoisture’s big misstep with black women, and Ms. Patti Patti explains to me why black women won’t allow themselves to be erased from the face of a company they helped build.

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Basically, when SheaMoisture said, “Hey, we’re going to have white women talking about their natural hair,” black women said, “Sheeeeeiiittttt!

Listen to the episode here:

While Patti LaDanielle and I might hate each other, we love y’all.

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