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  kishagreen at 08/22/2008 10:55:49 AM
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  If it's not racism then why the threat to vote for the only other white candidate left in the race? Especially when that candidate's positions are polar opposite of yours?
  
  As to the claim of him not being qualified, it wasn't Barack Obama who squandered a 20-pt. lead and $200M in a hapless, racially polarizing campaign. And you think Hillary would be the best leader? Give me a break...Barack's campaign wouldn't have been in $20M+ worth of debt either. Enough said.
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  iceman at 08/20/2008 8:05:12 PM
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  Typhoon McGoon, please be mindful that Whites who fail to vote for the most competent candidate simply because of the color of his skin ??? are racist and they will be the real losers! A McCain victory will result in full fledged depression that will lead to a run on the banks, and mass unemployment. An Obama defeat will actually mean very little to most Blacks who currently live below the poverty level, are already unemployed, and don???t have any appreciable savings. For most Blacks, it will just be - business as usual.
  
  
  
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  Frankie at 08/20/2008 1:38:01 PM
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  I think they will settle things, officially, by the convention.
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  Typhoon McGoon at 08/20/2008 12:50:30 PM
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  Hillary's supporters are pissed, and rightly so. She won the popluar vote in the primary, yet through the DNC's shady operations and superdelegates voting against their constituents, the nomination was handed to Obama affirmative-action style, not unlike Bush in 2000... and remember how good it felt when the Republicans said "get used to it?"
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  usveteran19881@hotmail.com at 08/20/2008 11:37:45 AM
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  David Swedlick has too, too, much time on his hands and not even brains or confidence. STOP WOMEN HATING!!!!!
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  biblio_chica at 08/20/2008 2:21:59 AM
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  Don't believe the hype. Women, feminist supporters of Hillary Clinton are not stupid, nor will they activly vote against their best interest. The media is overhyping a few whack-a-dos who say stupid, inflamatory, lies that most women, and most supporters of Hillary, don't believe. The media is happy to hype the stereotype that women (and feminists in particular) are hormonal, shrewish, emotional, crybabys who embrace their own percieved victimhood. They are not. I would be willing to bet that the shrillest of these so-called Hillary supporters are either Republicans or are just outright racists who have to have some cover for not voting for the black candidate.
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  The M Word at 08/19/2008 4:43:29 PM
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  Samantha--Obama is far from perfect--he's a politician--and you're right that he has changed his position on a few issues in recent months. But the war vote stands apart for several reasons. 1. It's literally a matter of life and death. 2. It's been the single biggest political issue in the country for going on 6 years. 3. The fact that Obama made a public declaration against the war when he had no actual vote in the matter but at the same time in 2003 a majority of Americans favored the war means that he took a stand against popular opinion when he could have just been silent, 4. He turned out to be right, 5. Bush didn't outsmart Clinton (can you imagine?)--she and quite a few other Democrats in the Senate voted to authorize the war even though 21 of their colleagues, including Levin, Inouye, Durbin, Byrd, Boxer, Mikulski, and 1 Republican, Chaffee, voted against it. Either Clinton exercised poor judgement, or she made a calculating decision to be on the "winning" side. You pick.
  
  As it says in the article, if Clinton votes against the war, there's no Obama candidacy, and she's the nominee. Possibly President in '08. Not to mention that putatively, 4000+ of our troops are not dead and we save trillions of $.
  
  Voting to authorize the war does not make Clinton or anyone else (including two of the three possible Obama running mates--Bayh/Biden) a terrible person, but it does drastically set her and Obama apart. Sorry.
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  balanced5 at 08/19/2008 4:28:44 PM
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  It is truely my opinion that had one male white candidate had beaten Hilary, you would not see these diehard Hilary supporters trying to destroy the Presumptive nominee at the Convention. So why are they doing it, it is very hard to see anything other than racism. Think about had Biden, Dodd or any of those White male candidates had won, what would the picture look like. Here's what it would look like. Every democrat including the Hardcore Clinton superdelegates would be out on the campaign trail stumping for Nominee and fighting hard with the Republican surrogates, all over the cable news stations stumping for the Male White Candidate.
  
  What do we have now, complete silence from the Hilary delegates and superdelegates, no surrogates stumping for Obama on the trail or on the cable news stations. None of the surrogates on the cable fight very hard for Obama. All of the Republican talking heads and surrogates out dual the democratic talking heads everyday. As a matter of fact, the democratic talking heads and surrogates look like they are subcoming when they get over talked by the Repubs and they look like they are tucking their tales and bowing down.
  
  Now someone tell me, why you don't conside this racism. Alot of the Repubs do not agree with McCain and doesn't really want him to be the candidate but they UNIFY and fight for their party anyway and this is why McCain will win the ELECTION.
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    thevegasstyleguy at 08/21/2008 5:10:44 AM
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    Jesus H Christ! Not everything is racism my people! Alot of people just don't think O is qualified. Whether you agrre or not that doesn't mean it's always freakin' racism! So, everyone who didn't vote for Hillary hates women? Everyone who is against Mcain hates old people? Everyone who doesn't like chocolate cookies is a anti-cookieist? People wake up! We are all allowed to disagree without some nefarious reason behind everything. It's really boring reading that everything is racism.
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  Samantha T at 08/19/2008 4:22:19 PM
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  You cannot compare Obama's and Clinton's war stances because Obama was merely a state senator during the war vote. Given his recent turning back on many of his earlier pledges (FISA, campaign finance, death penalty, etc.), it's tough to maintain that Obama would've voted against the war had he been in the U.S. Senate. It's fine to disagree with HRC's war vote, but I think it's asinine to equate Obama's vote against the war in state senate with HRC's vote for it in the U.S. Senate.
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    Robin08 at 08/19/2008 4:54:00 PM
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    Samantha T,
    
    You say it is "asinine to equate Obama's vote against the war in state senate with HRC's vote for it in the U.S. Senate."
    
    Number one the Illinois STATE Senate did not vote period on the Iraq war. Number two when Barack spoke out against going to war in Iraq he was running for the United States Senate. Taking a stand against the war in the midst of a political campaign for the U.S. Senate seat was a principled but poltically risky stand to take. Consequently it is not "assine" to equate Obama's principled stand against the war with what many believe was Clinton's politically calculated vote for the war.
    
    I also agree with Swerdlick's assessment that but for Clinton's "political calculation" to vote for the war in Iraq she would very likely be the Democratic Party nominee today.
    
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  balanced5 at 08/19/2008 4:12:49 PM
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  Blacks are not trying to make statement just by having a black nominated for the highest position in the land, we are trying PUT a black candidate in the whitehouse, therefore, Obama has have votes from all races of people. Blacks are the majority in United States and blacks alone can't win the election for Obama, but blacks can certainly stop his progress and keep him winning with their hatred and jealously.
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    Typhoon McGoon at 08/20/2008 12:55:19 PM
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    Your post is mentally imbalanced, "balanced5." Blacks are not the majority in the US, they comprise 13% of the population. Blacks voting for Obama based simply on the color of his skin is not morally justified, in fact there's a word for it and it's "racist." Words that explain why some whites support Obama include "liberal white guilt" and "willful ignorance."
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  The M Word at 08/19/2008 4:09:29 PM
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  dmac--No one said that white people who voted for Hillary were pro-war. Your original post queried the reasons why black voters overwhelmingly migrated away from Clinton and toward Obama and I gave you one primary reason--her war vote. We would probably agree that on most issues, Obama and Clinton have fairly similar positions. We would also probably agree that if Obama had not been in the race, most of the black vote would have gone to Clinton.
  
  Despite the vast majority of black voters being against the war (from the beginning in 2003), I doubt that black voters would have voted for Kucinich or Gravel, because they never stood a chance. But when Obama raised all that cash and then won Iowa, it gave a lot of black voters, and white voters, and Latino, Asian American, American Indian voters, etc. a viable alternative.
  
  The fact that Obama was fresher, a more engaging orator, and also black was mostly a bonus. I don't think the Clintons can legitimately complain about black support. Were it not for black people, Bill Clinton would not have been elected. Recall that he got far less than 50% of the vote in '92 because Ross Perot was in the race.
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  balanced5 at 08/19/2008 4:09:23 PM
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  dmac.......you keep forgetting, in America, there is no such thing as half black, you are BLACK, SOCIETY(WHITE PEOPLE) DO MAKE A DISTINCTION. HALF BLACK, PART BLACK, 2/3 WHITE OR WHATEVER, YOU ARE BLACK.
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  balanced5 at 08/19/2008 4:06:30 PM
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  I believe that now it would be harder for a woman to run for President again because Hilary and her supporters are living up to the "clique" that she must have PMS...Woman are throwing temper tantrums because Hilary didn't win. Insteadof looking strong and competitive, they are making women look, "stereotypical"......The claimed sexism and everything else but Obama has drug through the racist mud, pick apart, and beat to a pulp but still standing with dignity and class, regardless of what has been thrown at him and pulberized even by some of this by his own race,and that is why I respect him.
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    thevegasstyleguy at 08/21/2008 5:21:50 AM
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    How long have you hated women? Btw, Obama punked his own mentor ( ablack woman) by having her and all the other candidates removed from the ballot in his first race. His second race he ran against Alan Keyes who would've lost to Hitler. He has funded the war and backed FISA and faith based funding. He's better than Mcain because Mcain is so bad not too many other reasons to supprt him other than the fact that he's black. Maybe those women have valid reasons for feeling the way they do. Sometimes it's not PMS, sometimes it's women having an opinion.
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  dmac225 at 08/19/2008 3:23:57 PM
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  The M Word- So what your saying is the white people who voted for Hillary are pro-war? Why is it so hard for you to tell the truth? The fact that Mr. Obama is black (well 1/2 black anyway) is one of the (if not the only) reasons that black Americans support him. Or are you claiming that if Mr. Obama looked and claimed to be white 90% of blacks would have supported him over Mrs. Clinton because of his anti-war views?
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  The M Word at 08/19/2008 2:29:23 PM
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  dmac--I would agree that "Amerikkka" is un-called for at this point, but so is "why don't you pack up and join them?" As I'm sure you know, African Americans by and large did not come here by choice. I'm sure you can come up with a better argument against a victim mentality than BET and Miss Black America. Black people would never have come up with separate institutions if it had not been for segregation, Jim Crow, etc.
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  The M Word at 08/19/2008 2:23:53 PM
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  dmac--African Americans were overwhelmingly against the Iraq war--from the start. Once a legitimate anti-war candidate emerged, it was a fairly organic move away from Clinton. She made it worse for herself with the "3am" ads, which were undermined by the fact that she voted to authorize the Iraq invasion and occupation on her first life and death "3am" test as a Senator.
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  dmac225 at 08/19/2008 1:57:05 PM
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  So if black voters overwhelmingly supported Ms. Clinton priior to this years Democratic primaries why did she receive lass than 10% of the black vote in said primiaries? Ms. Clinton's policies are almost identicle to Mr. Obama's policies so what accounts for black's almost total abandoment of supporting her?
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    dr spaceman at 08/19/2008 2:32:20 PM
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    Is that a real question, dmac225? Because he is a BROTHER. And before you say "Aha! Racism," let me save you the trouble: if wanting to have a real life example of one of your own as a role model in the highest office in the land makes one racist, AS SOON AS YOU EXPLAIN HOW THE US HAVING 44 WHITE, MALE PRESIDENTS IN A ROW is not a sign of racism... then I might feel obligated to justify my racial support of Obama. Black people voted for a lot of those white guys, btw. Well, since 1965, at least.
    
    If we could get all googly-eyed over a pretend black president (Bill Clinton), you darned sure didn't think we would pass up the chance to elect a real, half-black president did you?
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  Robin08 at 08/19/2008 1:56:23 PM
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  If Obama does not win the election (and I fully expect the opposite to be true) the Clintons and Hillary die-hards will say, "I told you say."
  
  You can bet your last money if Hillaryites start some sh!t at the convention and it works to the detriment of Obama, they will not take responsibility for doing anything to hurt the Democrats chance for victory in November. The Hillaryite response will be, "I told you so."
  
  In their heart of hearts I do not believe that Billary truly supports Obama or genuinely believes he will win in November. I think the Clinton's are just waiting to reclaim control of the Democratic Party by being able to say, "I told you so." BUT IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! Come January 20, 2009 Bill and Hillary will be stupefied watching Barack Obama take the oath of office. Mark my words.
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    thevegasstyleguy at 08/19/2008 8:24:31 PM
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    In other words you don't want people to exercise their rights at the convention? You only want the result you want? Well, you got your wish. At the convention if it starts to get close in the roll call, states will begin passing on announcing their votes until O has reached 1/2 od 2001 +1 at which point the balloons will drop and the pundits won't care about the votes of those passed over. Of course when this was negotiated no one seems to have thought about the fact that this will really piss off the HRc supporters. But, you will get your way. Btw, your whole approach seems to be setting up excuses in case O is defeated. If you believe so much in him, where's your faith annd positive words?
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      Robin08 at 08/19/2008 10:19:29 PM
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      thevegastyleguy,
      
      You ask, "If you believe so much in him, where's your faith annd positive words?"
      
      Did you read the post, let me quote it for your:
      
      1) "If Obama does not win the election (and I fully expect the opposite to be true)"
      2) "I think the Clinton's are just waiting to reclaim control of the Democratic Party by being able to say, "I told you so." BUT IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!" (i.e., they aren't going to be able to say I told you so)
      3) "Come January 20, 2009 Bill and Hillary will be stupefied watching Barack Obama take the oath of office. Mark my words."
      
      I don't know how much more positive I get when I tell you to mark my words -- Obama will be the next president.
      
      
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        thevegasstyleguy at 08/20/2008 12:43:57 PM
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        Great, you believe. What about all the others who are readying excuses for a loss? All this "it will be the Clintons fault" talk? I am simply statint the obvious. There seems to be an awful lot of pregame blame going on for a loss that hasn't happened (nor do I think it will happen). I do have to say that alot of O supporters are living in a bubble. I don't think quite a few people here can understand the damage they do the candidate by constantly dissing anyone who is not on board 100%. I hear so much about the "Clintonistas" not respecting O but at the same time do you realize how detrimental it is t the man to constantly insult the Clintons and their supporters. You can seay whatever you want about how they should "get over it" but imagine if that is what was what said to you. Hmmm. Not so easy to dismiss that is it?
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  Samantha T at 08/19/2008 1:38:14 PM
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  I was a HRC supporter and will vote for Obama come November. However, I remember many a poster on this very site stating back in the spring that they would vote for McCain or abstain in November if HRC got the nomination.
  
  Apparently, party loyalty only goes one way with this crowd.
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  Leslie G at 08/19/2008 11:59:48 AM
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  As a white, 40-something, woman, I had no issue with Clinton's candidacy. While she was not my candidate, I defended her tthroughout much of her campaign to a number of her defamers. I don't dig unfair attacks.
  
  However, I do take serious issue with these supporters -- many (most?) of them women of a certain age -- who appear unwilling to let this go now. The Clinton camp ran a hard race, but lost. That's the game. Now shake hands and head off the court. A lot of qualifed individuals didn't win, as there can be only one winner. This demand "to be heard" in Denver, as I've heard it be articulated, reinforces a negative perception of women as whiners and poor sports, clearly not ready to be leaders on the world stage. No, we don't need to talk about our feelings at the convention, folks.
  
  I am tired of (still) hearing charges of sexism and unfair treatment. Give me a break. When is there ever a truly level playing field -- in politics or in life? Whether it be age, gender or race, this political season alone demonstrates that diversity abounds, and it is the winner who overcomes the doubters and goes on to capitalize on his / her unique strengths and talents.
  
  In my opinion, the demand to put Hillary's name into nomination almost seems like special treatment because she is a woman and quite possibly sets back the timeframe when another qualified female will be seriously considered for the office of U.S. President.
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  miss lauren at 08/19/2008 11:04:26 AM
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  RiffB,
  whats wrong about me (young white woman) blasting hip-hop, would you prefer I blast rock? most people black and white listen to the music that strikes them, some are into hip-hop, others are into country whats wrong with a little blurring of the musical lines? I love most hip-hop, and I love most rock, I also listen to gospel music, showtunes, jazz, blues, latin/worldbeat, and a tiny bit of country. Once a music type goes mainstream then it belongs not to its originators but to the culture of the country and everyone in it, thats what drives creativity, the accessibility and ability to call any national music ones own and work in it. Now I have to go listen to my Nas album and then some Led Zepplin with some Duke Ellington and Pearl Jam, Beenie Man, and Pit Bull. I think Shakira will be last, or maybe the Greatful Dead, or Beethoven.
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  miss lauren at 08/19/2008 10:55:56 AM
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  Too right about the end there. Clinton did pave the way as Jesse Jackson did in the 80's. She had a real shot at getting the most votes, she just wasnt good enough. I can't wait to vote for Barack and in the future for the next successful female Democrat candidate for president, wether she is black/white/brown if she has Barack's charisma and the message needed to succeed without lowbrow tactics she'll be at that point, probably in the next 15 years we'll be that lucky but right now its Baracks turn.
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  zcgf02 at 08/19/2008 10:29:42 AM
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  I don't think the author of the article was saying Clinton's supporters shouldn't put her name into nomination. I think he was saying(and I agree) that the Clintonistas are in danger of cutting of their noses to spite their faces. And they will bear that mark much more publicly and longer the Obama will (should he in fact lose in November thanks to the Clintons' shortsightedness and selfishness).
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  Poadarian1 at 08/19/2008 10:08:40 AM
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  She iand her supporters are engraving her legacy as a sore loser.
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  RiffB at 08/18/2008 11:30:28 PM
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  If the shoe was on the other foot: It's about r-e-s-p-e-c-t. If Obama was the runner up, and if he even remotely behaved as the Clintons did-well, Obama would be in a low speed OJ chase with SWAT teams gunning for him and all of his campaign supporters. Amerikkka always poses the question about "do we really know this guy? or what do we really know about this guy?" All this means is that evil racist minds can't readily box Obama in the "negro" box and define him. You'll always want to define any thing, person, situaltion or experience. And for what? So that you can lay claim to it. Understand it. Own it. Get over yourself white Amerikkka. This is a different world that you are very uncomfortable in. The hip hop generation (white) has eluded you and you can no longer control them. You lost that generation. Pull up in a gas station and hear the rap music that is so, so loud. Then observe that it is not a Black behind the wheel, but a young white woman looking to connect to a hip hop culture that called her out wanting to be recognized as having culture. I am mad at it, though. Just sayin, it's a different world. Out. Peace.
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    dmac225 at 08/19/2008 2:19:42 PM
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    "white Amerikkka"? Tell you what, since you have no appreciation for the advantages you have over your "brothers" who were unfortunate enough to be born in Africa to Africans why don't you pack up and join them? If "white Amerikkka" existed like you claim you would not be able to post your racist, "im a poor victim", "it's all whity's fault" diatribe on this "for blacks only" website. Isn't it interesting that there is a Miss Black America pagent, Black Entertainment Television, Congressional Black Caucus, etc. but yet you claim white racism is the problem.
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      thevegasstyleguy at 08/21/2008 5:25:15 AM
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      Shut up fool. You do yourself no favors with the America Love It or Leave it spiel.
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      Robin08 at 08/19/2008 2:37:19 PM
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      dmac225,
      
      There is also a Bar Association that was started specifically for blacks. It's called the National Bar Association. Do you know why it was started? Because until the 1960's the American Bar Association didn't allow black attorneys to be members.
      
      I fear you don't know the history of your own country.
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  jamesneysmith at 08/18/2008 11:16:07 PM
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  Actually slightly less than half the party voted for Clinton. And as I am sure you know one requires just over half the party's votes to be declared the nominee so that is why Clinton has already lost. Certainly these delegates have every right to vote their conscience as opposed to the will of the people but should they do that and nominate Clinton they would have instigated a potentially quite literal war amongst democrats and then the party could say bye bye to the presidency.
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  thevegasstyleguy at 08/18/2008 10:47:48 PM
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  Excuse me but unless I am mistaken no one has been declared the nominee yet. When I was kid the conventions allways had this rollcall vote. Why not now? What is everyone so afraid of with Obama? Why is it always "we must must protect him"? Half of the party voted for Clinton, what's wrong with her delegates being counted? If you want trouble keep up the insults and try to deny the Clinton supporters their day in the sun. Stop treating Obama like a little girl in a field of daisies. I'm sure he can handle this without all of the kids gloves his supporters insist on.
  
  What a bunch of wusses.
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    Robin08 at 08/19/2008 1:35:08 PM
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    thevegastyleguy,
    
    I guess you'll be voting for big, tough, old ass McBush?
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      balanced5 at 08/19/2008 4:31:48 PM
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      Because according to history, Presumptive nominee has not been voted out at the convention, stop trying to make excuses for this "war against Obama by the diehard Hilary supporters and the Clintons dead set on the running the house forever", syndrone.
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        thevegasstyleguy at 08/19/2008 8:27:44 PM
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        A/ I'll be voting for the Dem nominee
        B/ You should stop making excuses for your doubting your candidate has what it takes.
        
        And, historically candidates (even drunken murderer T Kennedy) have had their votes fully counted or did you only come to this process when a "brother" started to run. Don't preach at me if you donn't know your history. Ignorance is not bliss.