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IF YOU'RE DOING IT BIG, Sen. Barack Obama thinks you could give a little more come tax time.
THE 4TH OF JULY weekend is nearly here. I don't know about you, but I have mixed emotions about this holiday.
AS MUCH AS I enjoy a good Obama-bash, I have to disagree with you on this one. Given your penchant for calling me idealistic and naïve about therealpolitik of presidential campaigns, I'm surprised that you're tripping about UnityFest 2008.
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Posted By:
Ijane at 04/25/2008 2:38:47 PM
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Wow, I was surprised to read at the end of the article that you're a professor of political science at the University of Chicago. I never would have guessed it. Michael, I'm a struggling uneducated white woman who doesn't have the luxury of casting my vote based on race. I have four kids that I have to feed and $10 in my pocket. Five of it I have to use to put a gallon and a half of gas in my tank and the other five is what I have left to feed the kids. I sure wish I had the luxury of being one of those racists your accusing me of being or the luxury of being a race baiter like yourself! You got it made Michael! You can afford to write articles full of nothing that distract people from educating themselves on the issues. Whether or not it's Obama, Clinton or McCain, the next president's policies won't be affecting your quality of life one way or the other. You got your degree and your job and your health insurance. You'll still be able to put gas in your car and feed your family and pay your mortgage. You can afford to write articles that provoke race riots by spinning the PA Catholic voters as racists instead of attributing their vote to Obama???s position on BAIPA. Since you don???t have to worry about your quality of life being affected, why should you worry about the quality of life of your readers? You can afford not to write about troubling issues that call into question a candidate???s character, issues like BAIPA, Rezko, Odinga and the Byrne Grant Program. Life will go on as usual for you and in four years from now you'll be able to afford to be a race baiter all over again. I'll know I've arrived when I no longer have to concern myself with the issues of the day and I get to have the same luxury as you to devalue the election process and vote like a racist if I feel like it. Until that day I have to concern myself with which candidate is going to help me give my kids a better quality of life. Right now I need to pay attention to who has the best health care program and which candidate is going to make gas cheaper. I???m especially concerned with education and the rising cost of college. My goal is to see that all of my kids get degrees so they'll have the security to vote like a racist instead of a person like me who actually has a stake in who becomes president. Thirteen years ago I was able to buy my first home despite being a single parent without a college education and in the last 4 years I've struggled to keep that home. I would love to help you realize the dream of seeing the first black man become president of the United States but I'm far too burdened right now with trying to figure out which candidate is best able to get our economy under control so that the kids and I have a better chance of keeping our home. -
Posted By:
Bayani at 04/25/2008 1:15:59 PM
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Hillary caused this division. She lost the nomination on super tuesday when Obama suprised everyone by putting together a coalition of upper-class, liberal whites, yung white voters and minorities, to beat Hillary's traditional democratic core. He won Iowa, tied in New Hampshire (Hillary cried before the voting and the elderly white voted for her), then went on to win 11 straight contest. After that, any other nominee would have dropped out, but not Hillary. She had Bill play the race-baiting card, and now the party is very damaged. -
Posted By:
ornes911 at 04/25/2008 10:10:48 AM
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Posted By:
The Bless at 04/25/2008 9:12:39 AM
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I'm a little dissapointed by some of these comments. This is the type of cynisism that you see amongst black people and white people. Barak's bitter comment can definitely be applied to black folks as well. We hug on to religion, guns, and bullsh*t too! It is clear based on the numbers that Hilary can't win the popular votes, states won, and delegate count. 50% of her supporters state they won't vote for Barack if he's the nominee. How many of Barak's supporters especially the 90% of the black vote will vote for Hillary if she's pulls the rug from under all of us. I say that's more of a 60-75% number! So guess what? She won't be able to beat McCain either! Understand something blacks favored BILL CLINTON! Which she is not! I won't for her and I'll probably won't vote for McCain! What a great opportunity for the Democrats to F-up again, disenfranchising young and black voters. Classic Democratic Bull Sh*t! -
Posted By:
Johnatuberati at 04/25/2008 5:47:50 AM
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Just a thought exercise: What happens if the nomination goes to Clinton. How should McCain respond to win? What are the chances he would run with a black VP on the ticket? A conservative would help to fill out his credentials, or maybe even he could convince Powell to come out of retirement. How screwed are the democrats then? -
Posted By:
thinctank at 04/25/2008 12:32:04 AM
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obama can not work with hillary. how could he ever trust her after her behavior during the campaign? hillary is a republican destroying the dems from within. it's all according to plan and we have her brainwashed supports to thank for helping her accomplish her mission, which is the same a bush's and mccain's. it's a scary time indeed. -
Posted By:
LAP at 04/25/2008 12:11:07 AM
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Obama has a white mother, who doesnt know that??? -
Posted By:
jmwalker at 04/24/2008 11:52:27 PM
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White Liberal voters will not be happy, people that have marched, fought for equal rights, etc if the press is allowed to raise this false question> Why has everyone forgot Bill Clintons progressive leadership for economic equality, For Blacks and whites, I come from dirt poor white family, Clintons policies gave me my living. Whats wrong with the pundents and Black community? Are they Taking out George Bush policies out on Hillary? Obama suporters and the pundents, that know nothing. they have no budget, just repeat what they heard on the morning show. Sad Day for a democrate. Wether you support Obama or hillary, obama supporters and the press's penchant for using manufactured criticisms from the Ken Star days is disturbing. Press has vested intrest in status quoe so they supporting the general election loser. Obama supporters are proving themselfs no smarter than the fool fundimentalist god and country croud that got us in the war. They believe any crap someone with a media outlet and good hair says. even if they beleive it, if they were good democrates that had any History, they would be defending Hillary, even if they Vote Obama. Its sad, obama supportes on Cspan and the blogs are every bit as hateful and clueless as the idiots on the right. -
Posted By:
Ms.Martin at 04/24/2008 11:44:14 PM
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I wholeheartedly agree with your solution. If the Democrats give it to Hillary - there will be hell to pay and they will have aided in yet another injustice against equality. -
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Ms.Martin at 04/24/2008 11:36:24 PM
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I think you've left off a few groups who will not vote for Clinton - no matter what. -
Posted By:
wanakee at 04/24/2008 11:12:23 PM
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This would be a worst case scenario and one I doubt will ever happen. This is Barack's nomination. Stealing this and awarding it to Clinton, in a coup de tat, would ignite a nuclear bomb, because Black people would explode! This country would be worse than it was when it had its first Civil War. This would be the 2nd Civil War, if that unlikely scenario unfolded. -
Posted By:
wanakee at 04/24/2008 11:09:23 PM
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I think that would be the absolute worst case scenario, comparable to a nuclear bomb hitting, because Black people would explode. -
Posted By:
charlesc3232 at 04/24/2008 10:43:46 PM
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If obama leads in delagates,most votes , and states won and the super delagates at the convention give it to clinton the blacks in this country will riot and burn down buildings in every major city in this country. it will be a good excuse to loot stores and steal things they want. -
Posted By:
LorMarie at 04/24/2008 7:42:18 PM
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Speaking as an African-American voter, I absolutely will not vote for Hillary Clinton. Either I'll sit this election out or vote republican (assuming Clinton gets the nomination).
Sincerely,
LorMarie -
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LorMarie at 04/24/2008 7:24:19 PM
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Speaking as an African-American voter, I absolutely will not vote for Hillary Clinton. Either I'll sit this election out or vote republican (assuming Clinton gets the nomination).
Sincerely,
LorMarie -
Posted By:
jeanne at 04/24/2008 6:57:59 PM
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Obama will lose. Why is it ok for blacks to vote for Obama based on the color of his skin instead of sustance? How do you think the Americans who voted for Hillary will feel. Our early cacuses were railroaded by moveon.org- Hillary didn't stand a fair chance from the very beginning. -
Posted By:
peachie49 at 04/24/2008 6:50:57 PM
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Everyone knows that the Clinton camp is pushing the race issue onto Obama. Obam entered this race as a "benign" black person, a man who for all practical purposes is "Black" by choice. Culturally, Obama is just as "white" as Clinton--raised by white mother and white gtrandparents, Harvard graduate with honors, voluntarily entered the "black world" as an adult. Other pluses, married and appears faithful to his wife, attends church regularly. You'd think he would be a surefire winner and positive candidate. Hold on, instead, he has been turned into a liar("stolen" words), bumbling idiot, black power advocate with a crazy preacher and a crazy white terrorist as friends, "elitist", yet he's the least wealthy of the three candidates. Now, if this intelligent, light skinned, family man cannot win over old, white, high school graduates that chew tobacco and go duck hunting---what do you think would happen to a dark skin brother? -
Posted By:
Pretty Lady at 04/24/2008 6:47:23 PM
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What's with all the negativity on this thread? Everything is fine. Obama will win the nomination and the election. He has planned this campaign down to the last detail, with the best possible people working with him. He is an excellent organizer, a phenomenal speaker, and has the true grace which transforms attacks into opportunities for healing and understanding.
Nobody ever said it would be easy. He's up against entrenched polarization, apathy, laziness of thought and long-term habits of powerlessness. This election cycle is analogous to national therapy; we are being challenged to quit our dysfunctional habits and forge a healthier way of relating, to each other and to the rest of the world. It was bound to be long, and it was bound to be painful. Therapy always is.
In fact, this long primary campaign is bound to help Obama win the general election, by getting him into every state, working for every vote. The more people see of him, the more they like him; the reverse is true of Hillary. And McCain is a nice man, but not terribly bright, and comes off as unstable. Obama can handle them both. Don't give up on him; he'll never give up on us. -
Posted By:
OreoCookie at 04/24/2008 6:41:41 PM
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Obama is a terrible choice and if you vote for him because he is half Black because your Black..... your crazy!
He is a Muslim , and is a Racist along with his White hater friend Mr. Preacher! -
Posted By:
A Chip at 04/24/2008 6:40:33 PM
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It is not because BO is black that I WILL NOT EVER vote for him. (I would have voted for Jesse Jackson had he been nominated.) I will not vote for Mr. O because: 1. He thinks he is so much better than everyone else in this country--especially those NOT in the upper economic class. This is the fact whether it is called elitist or not. 2. He has NO plan(s) to implement because he hasn't thought that far ahead. 3. He obviously is NOT a staunch American because he sat and listened to Rev. Wright year after year after year and did not object to the hatemongering in that church. Sure he knew what was being said week after week. 4. His wife, Michelle, looks down her nose at the rest of us even more so than does Mr. O. She also has no allegiance toward America -- after all, she was never proud of this country until Barack became a candidate for the presidency. 5. By affliating with Oprah he is letting that woman buy him the nomination. So, it's Mr. and Mrs. O we are contending with. (I loved Oprah until she did that.) 6. Mr. O whines too much. Racist?? NOT !! I want to be able to elect someone who is READY to lead our country and to lead it back to the prosperity we enjoyed during the tenure of her husband. Vote for Hillary !!! -
Posted By:
Jimania at 04/24/2008 6:36:09 PM
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If you're focused on race then you are a racist.
If "black voters" are to be disappointed (if) Obama does not get the nomination it will clearly show that being Democrat is second to being Black - which is to say that Blacks are racist. It will also indicate that his supporters are more focused on electing a Black and less interested in electing a Leader. (And personally I think it already shows that "black supporters" want a Marxist leader like every third world African nation. If they were not racist they would gladly let the process deliver their Democrat candidate and be focused on issues - not skin color.
And where is the article citing that women will be disappointed if Clinton is not nominated? Again, the focus is on race . . . for a Liberal cause. Where was the black support for Clarence Thomas? Supporting a black didn't seem to matter when it was for a conservative. Obviously this voter block is focused on getting a Black, Liberal, "gimme yo money" politician - which violates every principle upon which this country was founded.
If Clinton wins the popular vote will Democrats , of all colors, then repeat the clamor used to support Gore's assertion that he won based on popular vote/disregard the delegates? If Clinton is nominated will the Democrats cry that she was "slected not elected" and continue for years the hateful rhetoric toward their own party?
Either way it plays out, the true colors of the Democrat party will come shining through. It's not about substance. It's about social engineering and pandering to groups. It clearly shows that Democrats, on the whole, view people through prejudiced eyes (i.e., race, gender, ethnicity, income level, etc.). No matter how it turns out the Democratic party is going to implode.
Shouldn't the articles being written be about a candidates position on issues? If it's all about race, and Obama gets elected, what is he going to do his first day, say "ok, mission accomplished"?
And I'll go forward on this - if Obama did get elected and an assasination attempt was made how would blacks react? Would they be as calm as whites when Kennedy or Reagan were shot? Oh the hipocrisy of Democrat racists . . .
Of course, if you really don't like it, then move to Liberia.
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Posted By:
Jimania at 04/24/2008 6:16:28 PM
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If "black voters" are to be disappointed (if) Obama does not get the nomination it will clearly show that, for them, being Democrat is second to being Black - which is to say that THEY are racist. It will also indicate that they are focused on getting a Black elected instead getting a Leader elected. (And personally I think it already shows that these "black supporters" want a Marxist leader like every third world African nation. If they were not racist they would gladly let the process deliver their Democrat candidate and be focused on issues - not skin color.
And where is the article citing that women will be disappointed if Clinton is not nominated?
If Clinton wins the popular vote will Democrats , of all colors, then repeat the clamor used to support Gore's assertion that he won based on popular vote/disregard the delegates? If Clinton is nominated will the Democrats cry that she was "slected not elected"? Either way it plays out, the true colors of the Democrat party will come shining through. It's not about substance, its about social engineering and pandering to groups. It clearly shows that Democrats, on the whole, view people through prejudiced eyes (i.e., race, gender, ethnicity, income level, etc.). No matter how it turns out the Democratic party is going to implode.
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Posted By:
Hexchief at 04/24/2008 6:13:42 PM
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I just don't understand the logic behind the idea that Obama has gotten where he is because he is black. When this race started the popular thinking was that he didn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of defeating " the inevitable" Hillary Clinton. The work that this man has done to close the gap, and then pass her as the front runner is nothing short of amazing. Regardless of what you think of the guy you gotta give it to him. He's good. Very good. To say it's "just because he's black" discounts the amazing yet flawed campaign he's run against a juggernaut like Hillary. Lets turn it around. If her were white... the nomination would be locked up. If he were white, I believe the general public (who are easily mesmerized by a pretty face) would look past his inexperience and anoint him as the second coming of Robert Kennedy. But, alas, he is not white. Which means it is his color and color alone (okay, maybe the middle name too) that arouses suspicion in those who would normally drink the Kool-aid. -
Posted By:
OreoCookie at 04/24/2008 6:13:11 PM
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Give me a frigin break, who cares if Blacks will be happy , what about the rest of the world and all it's many races, Obama is a LIAR and a FAKE, but because he is part black all the blacks are ready to run with him just because of his skintone....sorry but Obama is a horrible choice and i hope he does not get the nomination! -
Posted By:
Wish505 at 04/24/2008 6:06:41 PM
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Who really give a rat behind if either of these idiots win. Both Sadam Obama or China Clinton are this countries worst mightmare. Both are gibbering fools heck if they are have the same 8th grade mentality in the white house as they have had in their campaign it is scary. Get his those folks you can make all the littel lame escuses you can about both of them but you know the truth. Funny though I found out they were both born under the same sing...4 SALE.. -
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Wish505 at 04/24/2008 6:03:57 PM
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Who cares if either Sadam Obama or China Clinton looses..they are both the worst nightmare this country could ever face. and yes folks I am a registered Democrat but these two idiots scare me to death. Great to hear that both were born under the same sing...4 SALE... -
Posted By:
simpleone at 04/24/2008 6:00:33 PM
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The heart of the matter as you call it is not "this" or "that" it is plan and simply racism. As much as the WHITE American public claim to hate Hilliary Clinton and the Clintons as a whole. They'd much rather forgive and forget their past hate, in fact, they rather choose her they have a good, decent black man in the white house. This whitely made country that was stolen from brown skins people many eons ago aways behave with a level of entitlement. It's no wonder that Hillary Clinton keeps moving the gold post every time. It's the same feeling of entitlement. The has more right to the white house she feels than another person born and bred american of another race. God figure.
The great example of hate is what broadcased each and every day on the Shawn Hannity radio and televison shows.
Like the man said, if American does not turn from her wicked ways..... -
Posted By:
different at 04/24/2008 5:56:26 PM
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"If the Democrats had any brains, they would be Republicans" makes perfect sense. The Clintons are lieing to America. Their practice of Democracy is defying the will of the people and coining deals among their cronies. Can we remember that arriving to the Articles of Impeachment during Bill Clinton's term was a shameful time for America? The Clintons are not among my favorite peers. I am a staunch Republican who wants America to regain its greatness. -
Posted By:
toddally at 04/24/2008 5:55:29 PM
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This election will not be about a black presidential candidate being wronged. Isn't he half white? A half clearly forgotten. It is his terribly liberal record, not his skin color, that makes Obama unelectable in the Fall. The superdelegates know this. Hillary is far too liberal for the fall election as well. As for McCain being a right-wing extremist. Well, that just drips with ignorance from a liberal polital science teacher from Chigaco. I wish McCain were far more conservative than he is. However, Republicans can unite on one thing: He is far more electable than the other two. Get ready for four more years of the Grand Old Party! -
Posted By:
WolfReview at 04/24/2008 5:47:02 PM
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Since when does "money raised" equate to the best nominee? Isn't that why Barack Obama supported Campaign Finance Reform? An issue he now wants to ignore.
Your opening that this is what is supposed to happen is correct. The fact remains: NEITHER Barack Obama NOR Hillary Clinton will have enough votes to carry the nomination. I repeat: BARACK OBAMA DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH VOTES TO CARRY THE NOMINATION.
For some reason this gets lost in all of these discussions. Popular vote, number of delegates, etc... it's all MUTE. Since there is a threshold that has not been met. Claiming victory when you are on the 5-yard line would have changed the result of many Super Bowls. And that is exactly what the Obama Campaign is trying to do, and the media is playing along with this notion. He has not reached the goal yet!
The party rules are specifically designed to have this process take the entire time up to the convention, with a vote at the convention. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HIS WAY!
If neither candidate has the votes from the Pledged and Super Delegates on the First Vote. Then the Pledge Delegates are not longer bound to vote for that candidate! It's entirely ignorant to claim victory before the Convention. -
Posted By:
chutson at 04/24/2008 5:45:09 PM
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Being a black person he automatically gets special treatment. The media is not allowed to discuss his contradicting planned policies. I've seen his speech on dismantling our military and wonder does he think all of America's enemies are going to disappear if he becomes president. How does he plan to defned our country? He thinks our national anthem should be changed and refuses to wear an American flag pin because it offends some people. He calls himself a Christian but the fact remains he was raised Muslim and abandoned his faith to gain votes. Imagine what he will do to the American people. He is a good public speaker and like most politicians he is promising more than he can deliver and he knows this. He talks about how good he will be for the country but what has he done as Senator? He lacks experience and is counting on the "affirmative action" route to the White House. It will be a sad day for American if he is elected. In fact I thnk it is sad that he has suckered so many of Americans already. -
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bkirby06R09E at 04/24/2008 5:24:17 PM
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As a long time Democrat I believe it is a sad time for the USA. to choose between a man who refuses to honor our flag and our National Anthem, or a woman wanting to continue a dynasty. Some things about Obama I like, but putting other countries over his own when it comes to patiotism I cannot tolerate. He will win the White House, the Big Four Media long ago determined this and has done its job well. We saw that when they drummed John Edwards out. Where is HST when we need him? -
Posted By:
Kannin at 04/24/2008 5:23:53 PM
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Obama will not win in November because he is a Socialist! Not because he is black. Healthcare for everybody will cost more and provide less! Just like everything else the government has tried to take on. Reigning in the corporations will only serve to raise prices for all of us... including the poor. Do you really think that they and their stock holders will just accept lower profits? Raising the capital gains tax will only get investors to pull their money out of America and move it off shore. And finally... last time we pulled out prematurely... 2 million cambodians were slaughtered! And another half million showed up at our door. Remember the new term in the '70's... Boat People? -
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bkirby06R09E at 04/24/2008 5:17:10 PM
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As a long time Democrat I cannot vote for a man, black or white that will not stand up and salute the American flag or sing the National Anthym of the USA. Nor can I find it within myself to further pull down this great country with a Clinto dynasty. Obama will will and will win the White House. The Liberal media has mad sure this will happen when it drummed John Edwards out of the running. What a sad time in the history of the USA! -
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julisha at 04/24/2008 5:16:13 PM
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Agree with migentenegra. I'm a life long member of the Democratic party. However, that will change big time if some deal is cut for Hillary Clinton to be the party nominee in the fall. For too long, black voters have been taken for granted by the Democratic party. The Democras are having their racial comeuppance. The ugly tone by which Bill and Hillary Clinton are campaigning, their self-serving eagerness to exploit bigotry to win at all costs and their dynastic entitlement issues have turned me off. How ironic it is that HIllary would never be a member of Rev. Wright's church, yet it is that church and other black churches like mine that Bill Clinton used to show up in every Sunday morning during the 1992 election season "feeling our pain" and clamoring for black votes. These are the votes the Democrats counted on to win when Bill and other white candidates couldn't get the votes of the "bitter" lower class whites in PA, OH, MI. Now HIllary panders to that group. well let them have her. Howard Dean is an idiot. If Ron Brown had lived, he would have had the foresight to realize the true impact of a decision to cut out FL and MI. Black people, please consider all options and don't put all your faith in one party. -
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wordy at 04/24/2008 5:14:55 PM
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Hmmm... while I understand that there will be anger, no matter who wins the nomination (you ever seen a group of grannies on the rampage..it ain't pretty) I wonder how you would be reacting if it were Obama in Hillary's place. I imagine there would be cries of "Give the man a chance." Because, point in fact, there are no landslide vistories. NOT for Obama and NOT for Hillary. Basically, if you are making the argument that the "popular" vote determines it... well, Dear Democrats, you are letting a lot of Republicans decide a nominee. The problems is the Democrats primary.... unfortunately, they didn't change it when it could have made a difference. And, so, whether it is the black community or the women who are angry.. they shouldn't allow it to taint what is a monumental time in politics. As a woman, if a Black man is President, I still feel better at night with the headway. My question is whether some in the black community can be as magnanimous and do the same if it's a woman? -
Posted By:
Judith Bjorn Buckley at 04/24/2008 5:14:00 PM
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hE'LL DO, mICHAEL, JUST THE WAY YOU SAID HE MUST...WISH HIM LUCK..
HE IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO WOULD RULEWITH COMPASSION AND TREAT THE REST OF THE WORLD WITH FAIRNESS. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT?
JUDITH BJORN BUCKLEY, OAKVILLE, ONTARIO, CANADA. REMEMBER US? -
Posted By:
tax at 04/24/2008 5:10:32 PM
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I will not vote for McCain. I'm upset with the bickering between Ms. Clinton and Mr. Obama. I hope there is another candidate on the ticket (who is never mentioned by the media) - if there is, then that is who I will vote for. -
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tax at 04/24/2008 5:06:59 PM
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I don't like McCain at all, and I'm disgusted with the bickering between Hillary and Obama. I sincerely hope there is another candidate (that is not being mentioned on the ticket) - that is who I will vote for. -
Posted By:
dac04 at 04/24/2008 5:06:17 PM
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Obama is a fraud. He has been a Senator for two years TWO YEARS. He has no experience running anything on an administrative level.
He is a politician who when faced with difficult votes on the STATE level voted present 130 times instead of having the backbone to vote yes or no which is allowed in the notorious Illinois political system but begs the question of what will be his actions during difficult times in the White House you can???t vote present as President of The United States
He hides a racist belief system behind a unity pretense (read his comments about bitter small town people clinging to guns and religion as a racist swipe at white Americans)
He scorns Clinton and McCain for their votes on the authorization for the invasion of Iraq without mentioning he was not in the senate to tally a vote (he also purposely leaves out the fact that the vote was for a last resort solution and The Idiot Bush lied about a promise not to go adventuring with the American army and the intelligence given to the voting members of the legislative branch of the federal government was cherry picked by The Demon Cheney)
It was my concern in January that the main stream media (MSM) had effectively split the Democratic Party between a black man and a woman (both historical candidates). Whoever the candidate is, the extremely disappointed supporters of the losing candidate will not come out in full support and a lot of them will simply sit out the election thus handing the election to McCain. But more research on the subject turns out a different conclusion. Obama has the vote of young people. Young people are unreliable and do not vote in national elections. Obama has the support of the black community. Blacks do not vote in a national election. If Obama secures the nomination, McCain will be the next president. If Clinton wins the nomination, the black and young vote will not matter anyway and the democrats will win the election. -
Posted By:
grouptalk at 04/24/2008 5:05:07 PM
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The Clinton's are masterful racists and exploit all demographics equally for political gain. If you want to know what they are up to...just listen to what they are accusing the opponents of. At this point I do believe that they are capable of brokering some back door deal no matter what the math ends up being.
It stop being about the people along time ago, divided we are. -
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independentatheart at 04/24/2008 5:03:06 PM
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i am a white voter and a ready to vote for a black candidate, but not Barrack Obama. When Colin Powell is on the ticket sign me up. The Democratic Party is lost ,just when they have chance to suceed they nominate someone who has no chace to win. i will look foward to a Democratic campaign that will paint John McCain ans a "clear and present danger to the republic! -
Posted By:
LUCY at 04/24/2008 4:59:10 PM
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FROM A SEVENTY YEAR OLD WHITE WOMAN WHO WILL BE FURIOUS IF OBAMA IS DENIED THE NOMINATION. HE MUST NOT PUT HER ON HIS TICKET, BECAUSE OF BILL AND HE SHOULD NOT ACCEPT VEEP. I WOULD n e v e r VOTE FOR HILLARY UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. SHE AND BILL HAD THEIR CHANCE AND A THIRD TERM IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL! -
Posted By:
trainer at 04/24/2008 4:55:28 PM
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Screw all of you left-wing, socialist, Obama Bin Laden asswipes. -
Posted By:
LUCY at 04/24/2008 4:55:18 PM
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THIS COMMENT COMES FROM A SEVENTY YEAR OLD WHITE WOMAN WHO WILL BE FURIOUS IF OBAMA IS DENIED THE NOMINATION AND WILL not ever VOTE FOR HILLARY, OR JOHN MCCAIN. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO NOT ONLY ATTENDED RALLIES, BUT ACTUALLY VOTED THIS TIME AROUND. -
Posted By:
trainer at 04/24/2008 4:54:04 PM
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The bullshit asswipes who support Obama Bin Laden should be shipped back to Africa. -
Posted By:
ornes911 at 04/24/2008 4:53:14 PM
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I cannot vote for Hillary after all the lies and division her campaign has caused. If you go to the PA Secretary of State site, the margin of victory Tuesday was 9.2% (54.6 - 45.4). So, instead of rounding down as every American was taught in grade school, the media and the Clinton campaign rounded up to 10%.
http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/
Then you throw in the latest garbage about how Hillary has won more votes than Obama by using MI and FL and you have to say that the Clintons will do anything to win, lie, cheat and steal the election if that's what it takes. These types of tactic are exactly what Obama is trying to change and if we Americans and democrats do see it, then we're doomed for 8 more years of Clinton crap, scandal, etc. in the White House. -
Posted By:
giacomo007 at 04/24/2008 4:50:54 PM
Comment:
One commenter suggests that Obama should not be the nominee because of white folks who won't vote for him in the general election. As a white guy, I find that suggestion appalling. What is the point of being a Democrat isf they stand for nothing besides winning. It is that mentality that is driving Clinton's campaign and, incidentall, destroying the party. Instead of worrying about how a bunch of racist crackers vote, the Democratic party should unify behind the presumptive nominee and stop playing idiotic and, frankly, racist games. A lot of us are going to leave the party if this election is stolen--either within the party or as a result of Democrats kneecapping Obama in the general. Like him or not, Obama is the winning Democrat. I don't want McCain to be president. But I cannot support a manipulative and racist Democratic campaign. -
Posted By:
BPQ at 04/24/2008 4:48:44 PM
Comment:
What a predictably simplistic, patronizingly racist opinion piece. Maybe we all will riot and throw watermelon rinds if Al or Jesse aren't made Secretary of State. The self-righteousness and fashionable anger of Salon's iberal elitist writers is getting a bit tiresome. -
Posted By:
bill123598 at 04/24/2008 4:47:43 PM
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If Hillary Wins McCain will have a cake walk to the White House! she lies to much and that will make Blacks and Whites stay home! It will be a land slide for McCain..... -
Posted By:
dancpa at 04/24/2008 4:46:38 PM
Comment:
In the end, if Obama wins the nomination, people have a choice whether to vote for Obama or McCain- white, black and others
Would I vote for Clinton? No- I think she is running on history and she is playing dirty politics.
If they decided to give her the nomination, all her dirty politics or her history will come back and bite her in the butt.
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Posted By:
sicily at 04/24/2008 4:44:28 PM
Comment:
Actually, many blacks love to hear this kind of thing (that the election may be 'stolen' from them), and here's why: outrage. Outrage is the single biggest and most profitable entity in the black community. It's also the most destructive. What do you want to hear? That my heart surgeon is black? That my dentist is black? The my attorney is black? Well, guess what? All three are. But that's not good for the Rev. Wrights and the Obamas of the world. What is good, what gets them THEIR house in the safe white neighborhood is the outrage of the average black man. Jesse Jackson and Sharpton were more transparent, but Obama, and his wife, who never paid a dime (because of race) to go to, and to work at, some of the most prestigous universities on the planet, now play the race card (and exploit the current, ignorant-but-well-meaning liberal white fascination with all things black) for their millions--or wasn't the tens of millions Barack earned in the last five years enough opportunity for him? This is such a tough country in which to thrive, that boatloads of Asians who can't even speak the language are offloading as we speak. Their children will all be doctors in as little as one generation. The horrible truth is, that the last two secratary of states have been black. The front runner for the presidency for most of this election is black (and entirely unworthy and unqualified for that office). But let's be honest: many blacks don't want B. Hussein Obama to win. No way. If he wins, the race card and the extortion that comes with it becomes that much harder to claim the next time around. A cold day in hell before a black is president? Please. Get the felonious half of the 5% of black males who make up the total U.S. population to fly straight, and you may have your black president. Hell, you may have it this year. But I can't help but wonder, then what will you complain about? -
Posted By:
mn2nmixr at 04/24/2008 4:44:18 PM
Comment:
I'm a Republican. However, I'm not voting for McCain. I'm certainly not voting for Billery. I'm not voting for Obama either. Why is this even about race? I could care less if he was purple. Why is the fact that Billery is a female then not acknowleged? No talk of sexism? Please. This wonderful country of ours is in a state of hyper-polorization and it's sad. I'm not voting based on color or gender OR party this time. The fact that this has even been dragged down to a level or race is pathetic. Issues are important. Our COUNTRY is important. United We STAND! Devided We FALL! This whole thing sickens me on both sides. -
Posted By:
I'm just saying... at 04/24/2008 4:41:32 PM
Comment:
Here a question for you...
If Obama was , for the most part, in denial of his black ancestry and ran his campaign as a white man who merely has some black blood in him, would all of the black people still get behind him? ANd how about the white people, would they be even more supportive?
Your answer to that question should tell you whether race is your decideing factor in this election. -
Posted By:
mruth at 04/24/2008 4:36:01 PM
Comment:
If Senator Obama wins the nomination, his grassroots organization will help him win the election. I support him strongly (white middle-class woman that I am). If somehow Senator Clinton wins the popular vote, beats Senator Obama in the rest of the states, and is awarded the nomination by the superdelegates (huge "ifs," of course), I will be very disappointed but will vote for her in the fall.
I won't contribute to her campaign, though, as I have to Senator Obama several times. The only way I would not vote for her (I will NEVER vote for McCain) is if the superdelegates backed her crazy arguments, like counting Florida and Michigan (she won Michigan for the same reason Stalin and Mao won their elections--only name on the ballot), and if she didn't win the popular vote or pledged delegates. Under those circumstances, I would feel deeply betrayed by the Democratic Party. I am withholding my modest contribution from the Democratic Party even now because I'm not sure they will play fair with Senator Obama. If he is nominated, I'll contribute to both him and the Democratic Party. Right now I only contribute to his campaign. -
Posted By:
clintonista at 04/24/2008 4:17:55 PM
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Superdelegates were created 25 years ago by the Democratic party elite to act as a emergency break during the Democratic nomination process. The process is structured in a way that a candidate can capture a majority of the delegates for the convention, yet not be a strong enough candidate for the Democrats in the general elections. Technically, the primary/caucus process can yield a nominee that is out-of-touch with the Democratic base and with potential cross-over voters.
http://clintonista.wordpress.com -
Posted By:
clintonista at 04/24/2008 4:17:34 PM
Comment:
Superdelegates were created 25 years ago by the Democratic party elite to act as a emergency break during the Democratic nomination process. The process is structured in a way that a candidate can capture a majority of the delegates for the convention, yet not be a strong enough candidate for the Democrats in the general elections. Technically, the primary/caucus process can yield a nominee that is out-of-touch with the Democratic base and with potential cross-over voters.
http://clintonista.wordpress.com -
Posted By:
wordy at 04/24/2008 3:53:12 PM
Comment:
Hmmm... while I understand that there will be anger, no matter who wins the nomination (you ever seen a group of grannies on the rampage..it ain't pretty) I wonder how you would be reacting if it were Obama in Hillary's place. I imagine there would be cries of "Give the man a chance." Because, point in fact, there are no landslide vistories. NOT for Obama and NOT for Hillary. Basically, if you are making the argument that the "popular" vote determines it... well, Dear Democrats, you are letting a lot of Republicans decide a nominee. The problems is the Democrats primary.... unfortunately, they didn't change it when it could have made a difference. And, so, whether it is the black community or the women who are angry.. they shouldn't allow it to taint what is a monumental time in politics. As a woman, if a Black man is President, I still feel better at night with the headway. My question is whether some in the black community can be as magnanimous and do the same if it's a woman? -
Posted By:
Kdcarney at 04/24/2008 3:36:32 PM
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Have any of you ever thought about a President: Clinton or Obama, Vice president Clinton or OBama, with John Edwards as Attorney General -
Posted By:
da5id at 04/24/2008 3:26:22 PM
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I am a 55-year-old white man. If this election is stolen from Obama, I don't see much point in preserving the peace. Enough is enough. Is a multiracial race riot an oxymoron? -
Posted By:
cora at 04/24/2008 3:21:20 PM
Comment:
I am just so sick and tired of watching two otherwise wonderful people gnaw each other's arms as we limp into the convention. How can either one of them fend off Republican attacks when they have so effectively debilitated each other?
Of course race and gender are issues, but no one talks about the REAL racial issue: how many people will vote for McCain simply because he is white and male.
All the talk focuses on black people voting for a candidate who has faced more of the same challenges they have and women voting for a person who understands what it means to try to be both a successful professional and a woman/mother.
Why is there so little real attention paid to the much larger percentage of people who vote race and gender -- white men? It is the unstated theme whenever Senator Obama or Senator Clinton is called "unelectable."
It is so sad that a random Democrat can poll better than either of the candidates we actually have running. -
Posted By:
mci at 04/24/2008 3:17:23 PM
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Obama is a certain winner in November. Hillary (with her 48% unfavorable rating, and 62% untrustworthy rating) is a certain loser. If you believe otherwise, you are simply a moron who has been programmed by the Clinton campaign. -
Posted By:
tfcal at 04/24/2008 3:15:22 PM
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Black voters aren't the only one's who will be upset. I am a white-haired white guy who would be very angry if Obama is denied the nomination by superdelegates after winning a clear majority of pledge delegates. I've been told that even though I am a union member my vote doesn't count as much because I have a college education. It appears that if only I was uneducated and marginally informed I would be excited about Hillary and down on Obama. -
Posted By:
Bigsky007 at 04/24/2008 3:02:55 PM
Comment:
The thundering and sometimes caustic statements taken from sermons of Reverend Wright are causing many to scream like demons when doused with holy water. Why? It???s because they ???can???t handle the truth???. They would much rather suck up the lies and kiss the rings of the liars that have this country trapped in the black hole of Iraq, from which no one can escape but our so called allies. With all the deaths of America???s finest, and death and destruction to others that those lies and liars have brought on, the latter are not unlike cult leaders. The followers continue to blindly do their bidding including giving up their wives.
The extraordinary dumping of our finite resources into Iraq must be making China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, Bin Laden, al Qaeda and the Taliban, among others, exceedingly ecstatic. If it is their intent to destroy us, we are their greatest ally in that effort. In fact I am uncomfortable with the similarities I see between the USSR in Afghanistan and now the USA in Iraq plus Afghanistan.
Correspondingly, we should be concerned that a little loosely knit number of fighters in a small desert country can keep a hundred and fifty thousands US armed forces plus over four hundred thousands Iraqi forces tied down for potentially ???one hundred??? years!!! Seemingly, the sword of Gideon is in the hands of another. Given this fact alone, one needs to compare Reverend Wright???s pronouncements with what???s going on. It???s a good indication that God is probably not very pleased!!! But man has never handled accurate unfavorable prophecies with dignity. The spirit of Jezebel, the prophet killer, is with us still. The truth so hurts!!!
Nonetheless, the truth is: this country, the State of Illinois, the city of Chicago and Trinity United Church of Christ have produced an exemplary individual in Barack Obama. This is a fact of which all sincere Americans should be justly proud. I am.
The world is probably watching this election with more interest than any since JFK. What a recruiting tool to hand to our enemies, if it is shown that we haven???t progressed beyond the Jim Crow era as far as we would have others believe. And then, we demonstrate that lack of progress by cannibalizing one of our own. -
Posted By:
LucyInBuford at 04/24/2008 3:02:54 PM
Comment:
I am a democrat but I could not, in good conscience, vote for Barack Obama because I do not believe he is ready to be President. On the other hand, I believe Hillary Clinton IS ready and like Chelsea, I believe she may even be more prepared to be President than was Bill, who is an added bonus, IMEO, anyhow. If Barack Obama does win the nomination, for a lot of us it will be the year that someone threw a party and NO ONE came. McCain by default, it will be. -
Posted By:
Sherm at 04/24/2008 2:59:33 PM
Comment:
This may all be realality but if Mr Powell was running as a black candidate he would win --period. Because he has respect as an American with a backbone. He is black, so what is the big deal about a black person can't achieve success because he or she is black. Ms. Rice is black and she made it up the ladder. No one likes Mrs. Obama's stand on our country and that is a kick in our face. We don't like it nor do we like his misunderstood church that appear to hate white. -
Posted By:
Bigsky007 at 04/24/2008 2:55:02 PM
Comment:
by cannibalizing The thundering and sometimes caustic statements taken from sermons of Reverend Wright are causing many to scream like demons when doused with holy water. Why? It???s because they ???can???t handle the truth???. They would much rather suck up the lies and kiss the rings of the liars that have this country trapped in the black hole of Iraq, from which no one can escape but our so called allies. With all the deaths of America???s finest, and death and destruction to others that those lies and liars have brought on, the latter are not unlike cult leaders. The followers continue to blindly do their bidding including giving up their wives.
The extraordinary dumping of our finite resources into Iraq must be making China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, Bin Laden, al Qaeda and the Taliban, among others, exceedingly ecstatic. If it is their intent to destroy us, we are their greatest ally in that effort. In fact I am uncomfortable with the similarities I see between the USSR in Afghanistan and now the USA in Iraq plus Afghanistan.
Correspondingly, we should be concerned that a little loosely knit number of fighters in a small desert country can keep a hundred and fifty thousands US armed forces plus over four hundred thousands Iraqi forces tied down for potentially ???one hundred??? years!!! Seemingly, the sword of Gideon is in the hands of another. Given this fact alone, one needs to compare Reverend Wright???s pronouncements with what???s going on. It???s a good indication that God is probably not very pleased!!! But man has never handled accurate unfavorable prophecies with dignity. The spirit of Jezebel, the prophet killer, is with us still. The truth so hurts!!!
Nonetheless, the truth is: this country, the State of Illinois, the city of Chicago and Trinity United Church of Christ have produced an exemplary individual in Barack Obama. This is a fact of which all sincere Americans should be justly proud. I am.
The world is probably watching this election with more interest than any since JFK. What a recruiting tool to hand to our enemies, if it is shown that we haven???t progressed beyond the Jim Crow era as far as we would have others believe. And then, we demonstrate that lack of progress one of our own. -
Posted By:
nat at 04/24/2008 2:36:43 PM
Comment:
nat
I think it is sad and pitiful how the party is been divided.
Please rest assure there might be moreblacks voting for McCain if Billary get the nod.
I think it is a shame that people can not get passed a skin color when this nation is deep in a recessioin.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
@dilly
Bill is not running..Hillary is.She has no experience other that a one term senator..
I get so tired of people not doing research on his/her own canidate.
You are proof of what the article is talking baout..Fear mongering..What do you really know about the Nation of Islam?
SMH-
Posted By:
Sherm at 04/24/2008 3:08:27 PM
Comment:
Enter Your CommentThis may all be realality but if Mr Powell was running as a black candidate he would win --period. Because he has respect as an American with a backbone. He is black, so what is the big deal about a black person can't achieve success because he or she is black. Ms. Rice is black and she made it up the ladder. No one likes Mrs. Obama's stand on our country and that is a kick in our face. We don't like it nor do we like his misunderstood church that appear to hate white.
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Posted By:
garyd at 04/24/2008 2:11:28 PM
Comment:
So help me with this:
Which "people" are being shut our in those nefarious ???smoke-filled rooms???? How do you count those who "voted" in caucuses? What about those (like me) who will be writing John Edwards' name in on their ballots? If Hillary catches up and surpasses Barak in the total popular vote (however you count it) but remains behind in delegates, have "the people" spoken?
What about Hillary and Barak supporters who are suffering from buyers remorse in June? Shouldn't superdelegates consider this factor in their "vote with the people" decisions? And I won't even bring up "the people" in the insignificant states of Michigan and Florida.
Do the Democrats want to win in 2008? If they do, Howard Dean, DNC gray beards (to be chosen by each camp), and Obama and Clinton should sit down together now. They should establish tight rules on how the campaign should proceed. At least seven points should be agreed to:
1. candidates should be encouraged to let the campaign play out to the last primary,
2. Michigan and Florida will be required to abide by the party rules already in place,
3. both candidates will agree to run the final primaries against McCain, not each other,
4. the superdelegates will be the deciding force should neither candidate gain enough delegates through the primary process,
5. both candidates, should they prevail, agree to offer the vice-presidency to the other candidate to accept or turn down,
6. the terms of this agreement will be made fully public as the means used to enforce its terms.
7. should either Clinton or Obama refuse the terms offered, the DNC should publicize this refusal as an act that puts victory over McCain and the Republicans in great jeopardy -
Posted By:
Nimet at 04/24/2008 2:08:59 PM
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Gee! Dawson is certainly midle of the road! " slime bag supporters" soound more like some of the Obama group -
Posted By:
migentenegra at 04/24/2008 2:02:30 PM
Comment:
It is ironic that African Americans, the most loyal voters in the Democratic party, get saddled with the label of ???racist??? for supporting a candidate that brings a message of hope to all people.
I???d like to remind people that when Reagan Democrats, white blue collar voters, went for the GOP, African Americans stuck by our candidate, Jimmy Carter, no matter what. He never defamed us, or insulted our intellegence, but, as a southerner, showed empathy with our plight.
Furthermore, many voting records will show that African Americans have always suported the white Democratic candidate over the perceived callousness of the Republican partty.
So when a qualified candidate of bi-racial background shows that he can actually run for the highest office in the land, and that other white people would also support him (note Obama???s win in Iowa),of course we get excited. Our hearts are moved to action as we thought we were getting a candidate whome everyone could get behind.
But now, we are called racist by the very party that we have given our blood to. Now all the secret ugliness of hidden racism has now surfaced aided by the Clintons. Those that delude themselves into believing that Obama played the race card are pitiful.
It is clearly evident how the Democratic party feels toward African Americans: our votes are needed but we are not.
I too have a large number of Republicans friends who happen to be African American. They have a ???I told you so??? smirk on thier faces. They saw this comming.
Why are African Americans so blindly supporting a party that clearly does not honor us beyond our vote? Clinton is willing to stroke the fires of racsim in order to win the nomination. I say give it to her! Let her have it! She can take the nomination and her party straight to defeat in November.
It is time for African Americans to examine all of our party options!-
Posted By:
The Bless at 04/25/2008 9:14:26 AM
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Posted By:
I'm just saying... at 04/24/2008 7:29:57 PM
Comment:
Hey, just read the other posts "Loyal Democrat". People are threatening to go to the other party...as if the Republican party would be better than Hillary if she should get the nomination over Obama.
But thats not being racist now, is it???
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Posted By:
irissmom at 04/24/2008 1:58:22 PM
Comment:
I'm a white party activist in largely white Wyoming. If the super delegates pull some sort of chicanery and give the election to Clinton - I will quit the party. There were hundreds of young, white people (along with what few blacks live here) who came to our caucus and they were so excited and inspired to caucus for Obama. Those kids will be turned off forever from the Democrats. I can't believe the party could be so hypocritical and stupid as to throw away all the support it traditionally has from blacks as well as all the new voters it is gaining. -
Posted By:
alittlebird at 04/24/2008 1:56:53 PM
Comment:
I proudly voted for John F. Kennedy and I proudly voted for Barack Obama. But I am ashamed to be in the same party as dlily. I am a white person and my church and my God teach "Black Liberation" theology. In fact my God and my church teach liberation for all enslaved people. It's clear your god is not my God.-
Posted By:
u of chi mom at 04/24/2008 6:12:55 PM
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Spoken from the mouth of a TRUE Christian!!! This thought keeps entering my mind...what if ...at the end of their lives...some of these racist "Christians" die and when facing their maker...discover that God is not white!!!! I guess they'd rather spend eternity in HELL than with a God who's NOT WHITE !!!
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Posted By:
ClayChason29 at 04/24/2008 1:55:27 PM
Comment:
"Should the Super Delegates have their ways concerning this nomination and do something contrary to the wish of the majority, then the American political system is no more a democracy.
John Banks - London "
Well what about the votes in Florida and Michigan, if they aren't counted you can argue the same thing. Hard to argue that there is no more democracy because of super delegates swaying the vote and not argue it if everyone's vote isn't counted. Correct me if I am wrong on that, please.
Race has nothing to do with it, I am a 29 year old white middle class male and agree with some of Obama's views but still cannot vote for him because I don't feel he is ready to lead a nation. Also he wouldn't be able to accomplish anything he promises with the current congressmen and women.
Clay Chason - Cairo, Georgia
Here's one more email address for you. ClayChason29@live.com -
Posted By:
NightHawk at 04/24/2008 1:47:58 PM
Comment:
Sorry to say, but the more salient question is how will white voters react if Obama is the nominee. Poll after poll shows white middle class voters flocking to McCain if Obama is the nominee. Will black voters be upset if Obama isn't the nominee? Of course, but significantly more white voters will abandon Obama, and how does he win the general election with that hanging over his head?-
Posted By:
cora at 04/24/2008 6:15:32 PM
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