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Posted By:
carlossss at 04/21/2008 9:33:55 AM
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Pennsylvania Governor Edward Rendell is absolutely right. Hillary Clinton, together with her de facto running mate, husband Bill, is a formidable fighter.
Recall how she retained a private detective to dig up dirt on the women seduced by Bill; how she fired long-standing employees in the White House travel office to give the jobs to her supporters; how she put Marines in their place by making them serve as waiters and busboys; how she browbeat and cussed out her staff; how she rebuked any underling who dared to make eye contact with her; how she and Bill ordered IRS audits on their critics; how they backstabbed and betrayed fellow Democrats (small wonder so many are supporting Obama).
Then there are the deaths of Vince Foster and some 50 others by suicide, murder, accidents and sudden illnesses???a body count unmatched by any administration in American history.
Then, last but not least, is the way she has cowed the news media into imposing a gag order on itself. Had a Butler University student not brought up the Monica Lewinsky scandal, and had not the CBS tape of her bullet-dodging story in Bosnia come to light, the news media would have given the Clintons a smooth, free ride to the nomination and, probably, to the White House.
Yes, Hillary Clinton is one hell of a fighter???tough, smart, unyielding, as the Governor says. Precisely the kind of leader our nation needs in these troubled times. -
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carlossss at 04/21/2008 9:33:37 AM
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Pennsylvania Governor Edward Rendell is absolutely right. Hillary Clinton, together with her de facto running mate, husband Bill, is a formidable fighter.
Recall how she retained a private detective to dig up dirt on the women seduced by Bill; how she fired long-standing employees in the White House travel office to give the jobs to her supporters; how she put Marines in their place by making them serve as waiters and busboys; how she browbeat and cussed out her staff; how she rebuked any underling who dared to make eye contact with her; how she and Bill ordered IRS audits on their critics; how they backstabbed and betrayed fellow Democrats (small wonder so many are supporting Obama).
Then there are the deaths of Vince Foster and some 50 others by suicide, murder, accidents and sudden illnesses???a body count unmatched by any administration in American history.
Then, last but not least, is the way she has cowed the news media into imposing a gag order on itself. Had a Butler University student not brought up the Monica Lewinsky scandal, and had not the CBS tape of her bullet-dodging story in Bosnia come to light, the news media would have given the Clintons a smooth, free ride to the nomination and, probably, to the White House.
Yes, Hillary Clinton is one hell of a fighter???tough, smart, unyielding, as the Governor says. Precisely the kind of leader our nation needs in these troubled times.
Carlos Navarro -
Posted By:
FW40 at 03/12/2008 9:04:56 PM
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At last! Someone who remembers what the last two years of the Clinton presidency were really like. And why has no major network really questioned what Senator Clinton means by 35 years of experience? I thought she had just started her second term as a Senator. Just what is this experience that she keeps citing. I remember the health care fiasco and she managed it as well as she has managed her election campaign. I think the press has been really soft on Hillary Clinton. The Clinton's know how to fight but I am not sure they know how to lead. -
Posted By:
JWill at 03/11/2008 3:40:03 PM
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Agree wholeheartedly that the Clintons fight for their own interests. America hashad enough of them and it is time to end this family right to the Presidency advocated by the Bushes and the Clintons. Despite Barack's attempt to fight fair, I hope his staff realizes (and they do) that their is no such thing as a fair fight in politics. He is going to have to get dirty and throw some of the old scandals back in Hillary's faces and remind the American public what they are "missing". This brief setback is good for Barack because he is going to have to prove he can counterpunch. What is happening now absolutely pales in comparison to what the Republicans will do to him in the General Election. They are absolutely rabid and make the Clintons look like the Cleavers. I am very concerned abou the tone of the race as it seems very clear that the Clintons will try to steal this nomination. The Obama camp need to drop a political MOAB (Mother of All Bombs) or two on the Clinton camp to snuff them out for good! Please support Obama not only with your hopes but also your wallets! -
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varnerpr at 03/11/2008 1:49:34 PM
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Amen Mr. Sawyer. Could you please send your article to the working press at CNN and MSNBC? They seem to be blind to the Clinton era of politics or so forgiving of their term(s) in office that selective amnesia has set in. While the country experienced growth and prosperity during the Clinton administration, we also experienced shame and humiliation, worldwide, not to mention being the butt of every late night talk show who now seem to be the revival machine for Hillary.
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varnerpr at 03/11/2008 1:45:08 PM
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Amen Mr. Sawyer. Could you please send your article to the working press at CNN and MSNBC? They seem to be blind to the facts of the Clinton era in politics?
S. Varner
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Posted By:
theroot at 03/11/2008 11:54:17 AM
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are you joking me... when was the last time you saw an article attack Obama!? Everyone has shadows in their closet and Obama is no exception. With such skewed politics as the ones you just described you might as well be voting Republican because you are just as ignorant. -
Posted By:
tberry325 at 03/10/2008 3:43:37 PM
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Thank you ... well said -
Posted By:
beaschec at 03/10/2008 3:41:02 PM
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I couldnt agree more. The Billary machane is a tank ready to bulldose itself all the way down the yellowbrick road to the 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. And no cost is too high. All the unity, energy, and momentum built up single handidly by Obama. The good posture of our party, and hell Democracy itself can all be summed up as collateral damage. And a sacrifice worthy to the Clinton's in their raw pursuite of Power!! Sounds awfully familiar doesnt it. Sounds just like the antics of none other than Karl Rove, and George W. Bush. I thought they were on the other side of the political spectrum? Well I geuss all is fair in love and politics. Unless your ready to REALLY to close the door on the past!!! And get a REAL fresh start on tommorrow which is a vote for OBAMA. -
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beaschec at 03/10/2008 3:05:05 PM
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I could not agree more. The Billarry machine is a tank ready to bulldose their way forcefully down the yellow brick road to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. No cost is too high, all the unity, and energy Obama has single handidly sparked, The momentum of the Democratic party, and hell Democracy itself can all be counted up as collaterall damage to the Clinton's in their raw pursuite of Power. -
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beaschec at 03/10/2008 2:32:37 PM
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Couldnt agree more! Billarry is willing to sacrifice all the energy generated single handedly by Obama, The momentum of the Democratic party, and democracy itself it thats what it takes to win!!!!! Talk about Sore Loosers!!!! -
Posted By:
Debmood at 03/10/2008 1:55:47 PM
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I have been begging the news media to ask HIllary to provide a Time Line of events of her experience on foreign affairs and the crises she solved on behalf of the United States in those 80 countries she visited. I've asked the media to look into the apology by the Canadian government in regards to the memo that was sent by the Clintons. I sent letters before the Texas and Ohio primary asking Mrs. Clinton to release her tax returns. I've asked about the McDougals, who served time for Hillary's White Water scandal, simply because she kept harping on Rezko. I've also asked for the photos of Rezko and the Clintons. The questions are being asked but obviously the media has been bought off by the Clintons because they have been silenced.
I ask questions everyday and I will do so until Obama is in the White House as President, not Vice President.
The past few days I've been informing people about this so called Clinton/Obama ticket trick by Bill and Hill. Here is a sample of what I wrote this morning:
March 10, 2008
We know the real reason why Bill and Hillary are suggesting a Clinton/Obama ticket and it will NOT work! First of all, why is everybody in the media referring to a Clinton/Obama ticket when Obama is in the lead? I suppose there is no dream of an Obama/Clinton ticket? This is just another ploy by the Clinton camp to draw black voters just in case she wins the nomination in November. Hillary does not need the black votes now, but she will need them to win in November. Maybe she should be seeking a Clinton/Latino ticket because come November, if the super delegates hand over the nomination to her, she can kiss the black vote Good Bye! I would vote for McCain because at least I know where he stands. As for Hillary, you've mocked, used fear tactics on the poor and ignorant racists, divide the Democratic Party and down right disrespected black voters. Hillary is giving black voters her ass to kiss now and if she wins or steal the nomination, we will return the favor November.
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Posted By:
Karen at 03/10/2008 11:06:31 AM
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Your words sparked a couple of thoughts this morning...
First, I strongly believe that assuming the presidency of the United States is an honor that at the very least, should be bestowed on a person of integrity. In this area, I see Hillary Clinton lacking considerably. She comes across as a bully who will do anything to get her way. On that basis alone, she does not deserve the presidency.
Second, I am dismayed how many women are voting for Hillary, because they see themselves as feminists and simply want to see a woman as president. Isn't being a feminist fundamentally about promoting equality and fighting discrimination, which includes judging people on the basis of character and qualifications, not gender, race, color, age, etc.? I'm a working mother of two, so I'm all for positive female role models. But I don't see Hillary as one of them. -
Posted By:
Bahama mama for Obama at 03/10/2008 1:01:24 AM
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As MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE NEED TO FORWARD THIS ARTICLE AND SUPPORT OBAMA! THE DIRTY CLINTON MACHINE NEEDS TO BE STOPPED, IN TIME TO WIN THE ELECTION AND HEAL THE COUNTRY! -
Posted By:
tiffmc at 03/09/2008 8:04:42 PM
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The media has been extremely soft on Obama; they're like a 13 year-old at a Justin Timberlake concert. Clinton's past is well-known to everybody. If anybody, in the primary or in the general election, chooses to continually bring up Whitewater, Vince Foster, Monica Lewinsky, or any similar scandal/matter from Bill Clinton's presidency, they will be seen as weak. Why? Because they will be seen as dwelling on the past and therefore desperate. Obama is not talking about it because he knows just that. On the other hand, if Clinton was to become the Democratic nominee, McCain bringing up Bill Clinton's failure to nip Bin Laden in the bud could be fatal.
Politics is dirty. This has been true for time immemorial. If Obama is too weak to handle Hillary Clinton in the primaries, he will be stomped by McCain in the general election. If he thinks he should get a free pass from the media and the Republicans because he is black, he needs to think again. Obama may be black, but he's also a politician and he needs to toughen up. I'm a black woman and I want somebody who is going to clean up this mess that George W. Bush has created. I don't care if they're white, black. male or female. I would prefer a Democrat, and I hope they don't screw this up like Jimmy Carter did in 1980. -
Posted By:
DownToEarth at 03/09/2008 4:05:45 PM
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You hit the nail right on the head. I think the Clinton's have been taking notes from Bush and using fear tactics to scare people into voting for Sen. Clinton. And she has also put the S in spin which the Bush Presidency has perfected. -
Posted By:
thecoloredwoman at 03/09/2008 3:39:46 PM
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Bless you so much for the truth, keep it u o and I am so very proud of you dear one
Obama can not become a dog like the rest of the candidates.he hs to be very creful baout how he responds...black woman from Texas a sate who kills more black men on death row then any state. I stand for a change NOW! and t his will not happened through the Clintons -
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loris bay at 03/09/2008 1:17:11 PM
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After listening to the Sunday talking heads this morning I am more concerned than ever that Clinton will steal the nomination. Did any one notice that the media is basically giving her high marks as the stronger fighting candidate. Even Dowd in her Times editoral roday said that he has got to show that he is willing to fight. The challenge for Obama is to do it strong, swift, and smart. The swiftness is critical. He needs to do it now.! He has very smart people surrounding him. I hope they come out swinging on Monday. It is a real challenge, He cant be seen as a wimp, but at the sme time he needs to retain his diginity. Hillary has lost hers, but she can get away with it. After all she is a white woman. If he is too harsh he will be viewed as an angry Black man. Hitting her on her taxes and library papers will not do it. He has to raise serious doubts about her as a commander in Chief, and about her experience. He needs to take them one by one and hit her hard with no let up. He has got to draw some blood. Make her cry again. Put her on the ropes. At this point he has no choice. There also has to be an all out war for PA. He needs to win PA.
He cant concede it. -
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brianwestchest at 03/09/2008 10:40:35 AM
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Well said. -
Posted By:
roadtripper at 03/09/2008 8:18:17 AM
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I can't bear the thought of sleezy Bill back in OUR Whitehouse! A vote for Hillary is a vote for immoral behavior. Ou children see this behavior excused and think anything goes. Apparently it does for the Clintons. Bill is a sick puppy and so is Hillary for putting up with it. Of course, the ONLY reason she did was her eyes have been on the Whitehouse for years! -
Posted By:
CVH at 03/09/2008 6:49:29 AM
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I would further contend that "we" as it was said in an article on the internet about the presence of the Clinton's campaigning in Wyoming, " .....we've had a" former president, former first daughter and a former first lady in our state within two days". What I would point out IS that they are "formers" and ought to remain "formers" . It is stagnating to America to continue this despotic monarchy type of democracy held between these two families. We have endured for this for the past 24 years. The scandel following Bill and Hillary Clinton pales in comparison to the disservice it would be to the American people if she were elected. What are the reasons "we " continue in this pattern of electing family member after family member as the President of the United States? Least I remind everyone that we had George Bush, two terms then Bill Clinton two terms, now George W. Bush two terms.. then Hillary Clinton for who knows how many terms. That is twenty-four consecutive years of family. Furthermore to elect Hillary Clinton it would be too much like re-electing Bill Clinton again, she is his wife.. well at times. Therefore we must take our argument to the media, and ask them how come they have steered away from the controversy, and scandel that the Clintons are known to waddle in? I will respect and support Barack Obama in his campaign to stick to the issues. Our power is speaking out Barack Obama can support what we express, as a concern. Thank You Professor Sawyer -
Posted By:
yasur volcano at 03/08/2008 11:13:30 PM
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Surely everyone knows the Clintons represent a county with "two" possible presidents, which is expressly impossible as written in the constitution and hstory of America. Of course should Hilary prevail, and she won't, then our country would have two presidents, Bill and Hill, and a vice president. How confusing can you get? If you think congress is complex now, then you have no idea about Brownian motion and what it means...chaos. Obama 08 and beyond. I will keep contributing as long as I have a bank acoount. I will even borrow to support you Obama...forever. -
Posted By:
yasur volcano at 03/08/2008 10:53:37 PM
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Thanks Mark, your column is laser-on target and should be page #1 in the Dem playbook. I know that you know that they know that everyone knows, so what is the wait. Something tells me that Obama is both brilliant and wise. I know that he knows the absolute perfect moment to fire this loaded railgun for maximum effect. Timing is everything...you'll see. -
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yasur volcano at 03/08/2008 10:48:58 PM
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Hi Mark...laser correct in every way. This blog should page #1 in the Dem playbook. I know that you know thay they know that everyone knows; so when is the absolute right time to fire the rail gun? Something tells me that Obama is not only brilliant but wise. Timing is everything. -
Posted By:
feedup at 03/08/2008 8:58:24 PM
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Superdelegates. Over 25 million people will vote in over 50 states costing taxpayers over $100 million dollars and the selection of the candidate will come down to 800
party delegates. Something wrong with this. -
Posted By:
feedup at 03/08/2008 8:55:13 PM
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I agree with you. It's unfortunate that Hrc can claim 35 years of experience, but when someone wants to talk about her national security efforts in bill"s administration it's taboo. I feel the poor effort to get Bin Ladin lead to September 11.
Let's talk about that national security issue. -
Posted By:
mgraeber at 03/08/2008 8:06:24 PM
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I am so glad somebody is finally bringing all of this to light. I have been sitting back watching the past couple of weeks trying to figure out why Sen. Obama keeps letting her swing at him with all of these non-story issues, when she has a trunk full of REAL scandals in her closet. Not only are there those you addressed, but also Norman Hsu (illegally raising funds for THIS campaign), their blocking of all documents relating to pardons in Clinton administration--including some purchased by Sen. Clinton's brother, and her complete failure to release tax returns. Being vetted is not the same as people not talking about it. I'm not sure who decided we as Democrats would never mention any of the Clinton scandals, but I sure wasn't a part of the agreement, and I certainly don't feel these things should be off limits. My concern now is that both Obama and Clinton need superdelegates to get to 2025 delegates. If he doesn't start reminding people about the other side of the Clinton dynasty, she'll lie her way all the way to stealing the nomination from the voters. Thank you for reminding us that these things matter. -
Posted By:
loris bay at 03/08/2008 5:44:28 PM
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He has to fight back but not get in the gutter with her. Who was it that said "Never fight with a hog, both of you will get dirty and one likes it." -
Posted By:
loris bay at 03/08/2008 5:36:30 PM
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Well said and thank you! I found you by reading Peggy Noonan's opinion in the Wall Street Journal. -
Posted By:
robinlaurain at 03/08/2008 5:09:00 PM
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Hillary did the unthinkable. She stated John McCain would make a better Commander-in-Chief than Barack Hussien Obama. This is unheard of in politics. You don't give the opposition power to use against the front-runner. I have lost all respect for Bill and Hillary Clinton. They need to stay in NY and leave the rest of the country alone. It is obvious to anyone who has at least half of a functioning brain, that they only care about themselves. They have drug this country through the mud of the 90's. Where were the Clinton's when they received the 3 am call about the genocide in Rwanda? I don't know about the rest of my fellow Americans, but I am Clintoned out and you know it is only going to get worse with them in the months to come.-
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AM at 03/11/2008 8:05:04 PM
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robinlaurin
Hillary did NOT say that "McCain would be a better Commander in Chief"
(from a blogger)
this is her exact quote
I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say. He???s never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002.
Now how, exactly, is this equivalent in any way, shape or form to "McCain would be better than Obama"? Hillary simply gave one reason why she would match up better against McCain in November than Obama would. This is a far cry from saying that McCain would be a better president than Obama. But thanks to a heavily editorialized Digg title, the lie has spread that Hillary would endorse McCain over Obama.
Also, if you want to talk about giving the opposition power, then how about Barack's attack ads on healthcare? Those came in Feb and Hillary's remark came in March.
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tedchyn at 03/08/2008 4:54:53 PM
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hillary was confused when bill commited audultry and fooled by GWB when casting her Iraq invasion vote. we need someone with good experience and judgement and we do need the divisive and gutter experience she possessed. -
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robinlaurain at 03/08/2008 4:54:45 PM
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Mrs. Clinton has done the unthinkable-she has stated John McCain would make a better commander-in-chief than Barak Hussien Obama. This proves that Mrs. Clinton is only concerned for Mrs. Clinton. Where's the tax forms Hill? How about those records from your tenure as First Lady? I would also like to know who has donated to the Clinton Library? Americans need to get over their love affair with this power, hungry couple. It is obvious they are not in love with anyone, but themselves. -
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tedchyn at 03/08/2008 4:50:55 PM
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Her experience mostly are unsubstantiated and she had been in the political gutter in most her life for her and bill's ambition and not for people like us.
she was confused when bill's extramarital affair and fooled by GWB when casting iraq invation vote. we need someone with good public service expereinece not the gutter and confused experience she possesed. -
Posted By:
rj at 03/08/2008 10:11:59 AM
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And, why isn't anyone focusing on the current trial of PAUL v. CLINTON? Go to: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw. 1.9 Million viewers already know what Hillary doesn't want you to know. -
Posted By:
rj at 03/08/2008 10:10:01 AM
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Mark, this is a good article yet it still is not strong enough. How can we get this message out to the mainstream media? why are they not reporting on these issues? What's really going on here? -
Posted By:
jbaines01 at 03/07/2008 3:35:42 PM
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I am an Obama supporter, not because he is black. it is because of what he stands for "CHANGE". I think Obama should fight on facts, take her on with her experience and her record in the senate. Expose her on fact. The media wants to see a fight, keep your cool and allow that Attorney Side to Rise in You. Show the people that you got a backbone and what it takes to be the next President of these United States, they don't think you can take the heat. -
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Truth2008 at 03/07/2008 2:52:28 PM
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Obama should just ignore her. Stay on the message. He is after all the party's nominee. He should instead concentrate on challenging his opponent (Maccain).
My 18 year old daughter will note vote for Hillary because in a few years she hopes to be an intern in the White House. The last thing my wife and I would not do is trust her in any Clinton white house. -
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Truth2008 at 03/07/2008 2:45:55 PM
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I can not agree more. Where was Mrs Clinton when Rwandese women and children were rapped and murdered in day light? Was it because they were blacks? what advise did she give her husband during the hundreds day killings of inocent people? Where was Clinton when the first attack was made on the world trade center? What advise did she give her husband? Why can't she release her tax returns?-
Posted By:
AM at 03/11/2008 3:18:09 AM
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Where was Barack during the killing of Rwandans?
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Posted By:
nubia at 03/07/2008 1:57:42 PM
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I love you, thank you for this article and I will share this with everyone. All of Hillarys garbage and secrets are about to hit the street. She has truly opened up a can of worms. Everyone who may have had doubts about her having any kind of integrity, ethics or honor will surly find out she doesn't possess any of those qualities. Nubia- Obama supporter and fighter -
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nubia at 03/07/2008 1:52:53 PM
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I am so happy to read this article. Obama has brought some life back into this country, I am so sorry that hIllary felt the need to go negative with lies and deceit but that is par for the course with her. I really like Hillary until now but with her Bi-Polar attitudes can you really trust her in cases on national security?
Suppose the phone does ring at 3 in the morning there's more of a chance that it's Bill whose been out alnight than a real crisis.
Nubia, Obama supporter and fighter for him -
Posted By:
CWLEELEE at 03/07/2008 1:42:09 PM
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she should be put in jail. If she is in office we are all in real big trouble -
Posted By:
TrueBearing at 03/07/2008 1:31:54 PM
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At least someone is willing to point out how the Clinton's are the biggest liars and cheats. They will do anything to prove that Democrats are gullible. They spin their webs of lies like it was common nature to them. They don't understand reality only their misconception of it! Hillary and her origanal healthcare was a joke. If anyone remembers she fought so hard(ha ha) with the lobbyist.
Know she says that she can protect America (how about their reputation). Their a big discrepancy with their morals and how many service men and women killed during their presidency and no action was taken. This is not what I call a Commander-in-Chief. Democrats would be wise and dump this Clinton hypocreaceae and vote for someone with integrity. -
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Believeinthetruth at 03/07/2008 1:25:50 PM
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At least someone is willing to point out how the Clinton's are the biggest liars and cheats. They will do anything to prove that Democrats are gullible. They spin their webs of lies like it was common nature to them. They don't understand reality only their misconception of it! Hillary and her origanal healthcare was a joke. If anyone remembers she fought so hard(ha ha) with the lobbyist.
Know she says that she can protect America (how about their reputation). Their a big discrepancy with their morals and how many service men and women killed during their presidency and no action was taken. This is not what I call a Commander-in-Chief. Democrats would be wise and dump this Clinton hypocreaceae and vote for someone with integrity. -
Posted By:
Evie 88 at 03/07/2008 1:12:56 PM
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I am an African Amercian woman and I can tell everybody if things are shady in this election concerning the superdelegates, John McCain will be the next president. If Barack goes in with more pledged delegates and the supers still give it to that lying conniving Hillary, it's over for the democrats for the next four to eight years.-
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tiffmc at 03/09/2008 8:12:45 PM
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I am a black (not African American) woman and enough of an educated Democrat to know that superdelegates should go with what their states voted. If they do that, Clinton will win. She won the big states. It is not the will of ALL of the people that Obama be the Democratic nominee. It is the will of the people that voted for him. If it was truly the will of the people, we would not be in the boat we are in now. As a true Democrat and not somebody who just happened to get involved because Clinton and Obama came along, I will support the Democratic nominee, whoever he or she will be. They're basically saying the same thing policy-wise, anyway. As much dirt as we know about Clinton, I'd take that any day over the dirt that we don't yet know about Obama, as well as his wussy ways, which we are seeing more and more each day. You can't be President of the United States without having compromised some principles along the way, and anybody who thinks otherwise is naive.
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Posted By:
Simba at 03/07/2008 12:43:52 PM
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Way to go! Please do everything that you can to keep that Sleazy Clinton family out of the nation's Whitehouse. You have the platform to get this message across the web pages. There are many of us around the country that do not have the ability to post the truth. Clinton has, as president, taught our young people to lie (I did not have sex with that young woman), to cheat (only Bill knows how many women Bill raped during his presidency), to steal (Hillary turning a little money into lots in fake real estate deals), to use power when it should not have been used (too many times to list here but it should include the firing of the travel staff for her own personal bitchiness), to kill or cause to die (I really wonder why Vince Foster committed "suicide" and one of Hillary's main aides was seen leaving his office with a fist full of papers), to lower the moral standards in so many ways (our children can look at their president and say "well, he did......." and that makes it okay because he is a role model). Now Hillary is continuing to show the true Clinton colors by lying about so many of the current issues and if not lying, telling half-truths and putting out false rumours. She will do anything to get elected. I am embarrassed that she is appealing to the old (over 65) white, uneducated women. Why can't they see her for what she is.....calculating and mean. Msr. Obama is winning the votes of the well-educated people across the country. Why would anybody want to be put into the dumb class of people voting for Clinton? It is beyond me that we would possibly be willing to accept someone who wants the dumb to elect her. What is wrong witha candidate who is bright, educated, caring, strong, polite, and dedicated to helping people who need it and are willing to work for change? Wake up, America, and put your vote with Mr. Obama who will make us strong, and add to the moral fabric of our Country. -
Posted By:
Gren at 03/07/2008 12:38:47 PM
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and just who cares about what you think, Mark?
you can get dirty as much as you want, baby, I couldn't even finish the first half of yout speech. All this is so wasted. Can you not come up with another form of attack. yawn -
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Gren at 03/07/2008 12:38:08 PM
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and just who cares about what you think, Mark?
you can get dirty as much as you want, baby, I couldn't even finish the first half of yout speech. This is so wasted. yawn -
Posted By:
MLady at 03/07/2008 12:36:10 PM
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Amen and thank God someone is telling the truth about this low down dirty monster. She is Satan in the flesh. -
Posted By:
MLady at 03/07/2008 12:35:01 PM
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Amen, thanks for showing the world what a fake B Hillary is and exposing her for her lack of experience that she claims she has. She is a monster and a low down dirty one at that. -
Posted By:
the divster at 03/07/2008 11:50:58 AM
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The country cannot let itself be manipulated by use of feelings.Back off 2 steps and look how Clinton and McCain operate.They can manage to control some uneducated voters with some low self esteem issues which need to be addressed.Obama offers a path for us to take control of our own lives which will in turn benefit this country. -
Posted By:
angel1 at 03/07/2008 11:42:06 AM
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3:00 am, who answers? I do believe it is the switchboard!!! -
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angel1 at 03/07/2008 11:41:19 AM
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So why isn't the press and especially the PA press all over this Clinton deception the cost Obama GREATLY in Ohio and TX? How can the 'sleeze machine' be challenged if the press won't do it?
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008/03/clintons_role_in_naftagate.html -
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angel1 at 03/07/2008 11:36:43 AM
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So why isn't the press giving the same coverage to the Clinton lie regarding NAFTA/Canada that played HEAVILY into their 'wins' in OHIO and TEXAS? Why isn't the PA press all over it?
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008/03/clintons_role_in_naftagate.html -
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carmal at 03/07/2008 11:30:30 AM
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PLease tell me why the media (white) seem to not ask Hullary hard questions about ther finances and other things that the Republlicans are going to beat her up with. Is it that they just do not want Bararck to win and are trying to help Hillary. If Hillary gets the nomiantion because of dirty tricks, aren't they aware that many people say that they are not going back to the polls. Also there are many congressional and senate seats that will be on those tickets this fall, with a bunch of angry black people those folks are not going to win their seats. People better get real and understand that if the Democrats want black people to continue to support them, they better start playing fair. Also several of the news organization say that because Barack lost the last three states that he has lost his momentum, well it should be noted that he was behind twenty points in Texas and Ohio several weeks ago, and the established Democratic Leadres in those states were in support of Hillary, also the white news media put out all of this negative stuff the day before the elections. With this turn of events it is a miracle that he did as well as did. It should also be noted that Ohio and Texas do not have that great of history of being open to black people. If Barack do not fight back at Hillary he is considered weak, but when he do fight back then he is going to destroy the party. I guess he is damed if do, and damed if he don't. If this election doesn't do right the Democrats are going to be sorry, because they are not going to win, and lot of Democrats are going to lose their seats, not just the President. As for the comment that one Barack 's staff members made about Hillary being a monster, may she should not have put it that way, but everybody has always heard that Hillary is a mean person, who must have her way, so if that is the kind of person that people want for their president then so be it. -
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HillaryCigarMonica at 03/07/2008 11:22:04 AM
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Hillary is a total C UNT -
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HillaryCigarMonica at 03/07/2008 11:21:47 AM
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I think Hillary is a total liar and a total c unt -
Posted By:
clickers at 03/07/2008 10:58:37 AM
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Thank you for setting the record straight for those who refuse to remember the past or were not following the events that were taking place during the Clinton era. As this article accurately points out, the many "missteps" to say the least, that the Clinton administration participated in, not to mention the discussion with our young children at the time about the President's sexual practices and how that impacted our children and values. Do I want to see this couple elevated to the highest post in our country again? The highest position should demand and require persons with integrity, truthfulness and trustworthiness because in the end, we as a people have to put our whole trust in our commander in chief. Can we truly trust the Clintons to make the personal sacrifices in the best interest of our country? History proves otherwise. And yes, it would be both Hillary and Bill running this county. The presumptive Vice President would be in name only, that is a given. As history bears out, the Clintons will plan to win at all costs, even if they have to disenfranchise states, splinter the Democratic party, or worse yet, split the country. Is this the type of President(s) we need during this moment of history as we face such enormous issues and problems as a nation? We must demand better! -
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Seawatcher at 03/07/2008 10:48:25 AM
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Well there goes fair and un-bias news reporting. Do you think that you have so much to say about The Clinton's because they have been serving for 20+ years and that Barack has only been serving a few years? (We all know that there is very little gossip about the new kid in town ??? he has done very little to gossip about). There is good and bad on both side, But let???s not concern ourselves with the issues, there more silly thing that we can talk about ??? thanks for your article. -
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clickers at 03/07/2008 10:43:05 AM
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Thank you for setting the record straight for those who refuse to remember the past or were not following the events that were taking place during the Clinton era. As this article accurately points out, the many "missteps" to say the least, that the Clinton administration participated in, not to mention the discussion with our young children at the time about the President's sexual practices and how that impacted our children and values. Do I want to see this couple elevated to the highest post in our country again? The highest position should demand and require persons with integrity, truthfulness and trustworthiness because in the end, we as a people have to put our whole trust in our commander in chief. Can we truly trust the Clintons to make the personal sacrifices in the best interest of our country? History proves otherwise. And yes, it would be both Hillary and Bill running this county. The presumptive Vice President would be in name only, that is a given. As history bears out, the Clintons will plan to win at all costs even if they have to disenfranchise states, splinter the Democratic party, or worse yet, split the country. Is this the type of President(s) we need during this moment of history as we face such enormous issues and problems as a nation? We must demand better! -
Posted By:
ihernandez at 03/07/2008 9:37:16 AM
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jajaj!! this article is funny actually. Have you notice that in this article only the worst of the Clinton's was in it ,......what about the worst of Obama?..besides making meetings with other countries at the back of America. Also, republicans will be saying whatever they want to say....are democrats mutes?? they will answer back too with an endless list of republican crap! they have accumulated 8 years of wars and economical disaster, and health care disaster and mortgages and interest disasters!!...so , yes..let the republicans talk...all they want!! WE ARE VOTING DEMOCRAT!!! ...sorry... -
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ihernandez at 03/07/2008 9:31:01 AM
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jajaj!! this article is funny actually. Have you notice that in this article only the worst of the Clinton's was in it ,......what about the worst of Obama?..besides making meetings with other countries at the back of America. Also, republicans will be saying whatever they want to say....are democrats mutes?? they will answer back too with an endless list of republican crap! they have accumulated 8 years of wars and economical disaster, and health care disaster and mortgages and interest disasters!!...so , yes..let the republicans talk...all they want!! WE ARE VOTING DEMOCRAT!!! ...sorry, baby... -
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No_Rocket_Scientist at 03/07/2008 9:15:30 AM
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Excellent Article! Thank You.
I???m no political wizard but, let's look at the REAL 800 pound gorilla in our midst.
As a former Hillary fan, I NOW see what the right wing has been railing about for years.
Even though the math does NOT add up (and it really is ALL in the numbers), Billary WILL do whatever it takes to win the nomination; even if it means DESTROYING the Democratic party. (This AGAIN, speaks to her judgment.) She has attempted to use every manipulative avenue she could to influence this race. Billary has cried. She's BULLYING. She sniffles and rants and raves. ???Sybil??? is like a menopausal woman experiencing hot flashes. And when it's FINALLY all over...she ends her stump speeches with, "I look forward to being the FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT."
IF Barack Obama were to END almost every stump speech saying he looked forward to being the first AFRICAN AMERICAN President, it'd fly over like a black lead balloon. He instead has campaigned on being a president for ALL people.
I understand he's being held to a higher standard...but he's also playing by rules that Billary does not have to follow.
There CLEARLY IS a double standard in this race. And the media has AGAIN, bought into the manipulative Billary machinery. This should be a numbers game; and the media should turn its attention to that. Barack Obama has united a coalition from every segment of the US.
All this Rezko stuff is just spin that the media is blowing up because Billary can't find anything else. It IS the kitchen sink.
He hasn't hid anything....He's an open book, literally. Let???s deal with the facts. Manipulation is a part of the Billary mantra. Bullying is as well. We were bullied into a war we were misled on. France was even bullied about something so simple as ???French??? fries, which is laughable. America is tired of bullies. The world is tired of people bullying other people. Hillary Clinton is a turn off by her manipulative practices. I hope the media sees this for what it really is.
???If ya can???t beat ???em, BULLY ???em!??? That should be the NEW Clinton slogan since they change week by week. There is something to be said for consistency. If she can???t be consistent in her speeches, she is at least consistent in her non-consistent actions. Which Billary shall we see next? -
Posted By:
gash2go at 03/07/2008 9:07:40 AM
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Yes. He should fight back. Clintons are not fighters. They just create fights..like Monica -gate, white water, . By their failings they drag the country to un necessary division even empechement. -
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agency07 at 03/07/2008 8:52:04 AM
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This is only the tip of the Clinton Scandals. Google Clinton Scandals and read up. Here recently, it talks about why she wants to hide her tax records!! Donations (large, very large) from INfoUSA CEO and use of his jet, all the whiile knowing he was selling elderly personal information to companies that would scam them.........do your homework America. If Obama does not get the nomination, I will be voting Republican (here in Texas). Never in my life, have I voted Republican; however, a once diehard Clinton fan has seen them for their true colors. Don't let them rally up their troops, you will get duped! -
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gash2go at 03/07/2008 8:47:20 AM
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He does not have to fight dirty. He has to tell the truth. Clinton is comparing him to Kenn Star. He should say the white house experience you are proud of created Kenn Star when your husband got you know what from Monica and that lead to crisis after crises. You are not a fighter. You create un necessary fights and polarized the country. -
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SPIRIT at 03/07/2008 8:29:50 AM
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BRAVO!!! I WILL TELL YOU ONE THING, I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A CLINTON AGAIN. IT LOOKS LIKE MY CHOIICES ARE OBAMA OR MCCAIN. IF ANYONE FROM THE DNC READS THIS, REIGHN HER IN OR YOU WILL DESTROY ANYONES CHANCES FOR A DEMOCRAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE. AND COMING RIGHT AFTER BUSH, THAT IS SAD . -
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Truth-be-told at 03/07/2008 8:09:45 AM
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Go home, Oldie-locks! Hillary MUST have been Goldilocks as a child....she certainly lives it: She walks into a place like she's entitled to be there and someone should give her the keys (the Nomination and the White House) tries everything, (Ready on Day One!, Help Me Make H I S S S S T O R Y!!!, Solutions not Speeches!,) complains about most everything, (Only the States I win should count! Superdelegates should vote for MEEEE! , Why do I always get the first question?, How come you're so mean to me? No fair! You're not letting MIchigan and Florida count for me!) breaks stuff, (party rules, unwritten rules, like don't run personal attacks against your Primary opponents - they are on your team, after all), and then, when she's confronted with her behavior, runs away, screaming about the mean bears that attacked her. (The press.)
So, Oldie-locks, Run home to White Haven, and please don't come back (yes, that's the name of her home - you decide why Bill and she named it that - personally I think it's because they just couldn't bear not to have White as a part of the name of their House.) -
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grandma at 03/07/2008 7:41:20 AM
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I am 52 and a white female and I believe everything you are saying. Why can't others see that. I am from Ohio and I am shocked at what the people here did. I am starting to feel that I am the stupid one but then I look at her and I know I cannot be that wrong about a person. So many things say DO NOT VOTE FOR CLINTON - I am so worried she is going to pull this off. I talk and talk to people but she just keeps moving foward. So many things are wrong in this country and I have a new granddaughter and I would love for a many like Obama to make it the country I grew up in for her sake. Please everyone see the truth. He is not perfect and he is has much to learn but he can lead and he does truly care about the American people. He is not power hungry he just wants to change a great country back to a great country. She wants to rule. -
Posted By:
taxpayer at 03/07/2008 6:49:08 AM
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You forgot to mention Clinton was the only one to ever balance the budgit, even though the republican congress took our ss money a year later to feed the pork machine -
Posted By:
truthsquad at 03/07/2008 6:32:28 AM
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Obama,Just be yourself or you will loose respect. Remember you are above Washington politics. -
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truthsquad at 03/07/2008 6:30:08 AM
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Prof. Sawyer, your whole point is mute. Hillary had nothing to do with impeachment nor Osama Bin Laden. The Government spent millons of dollars on the investigation and came up empty. The fact of the matter is that Obama has been portraying himself as the holy one and yet he has surrounded himself by the same Washington insiders.If the meeting with the Canadian Consulate was not authorized by Mr. Obama, why did he not fire that adviser right away after the news came out. He denied it when he was approached by the press. Had that denial been before the Grand jury, that would have turned into something else. How could he tell the masses one thing and then tell the people involved another thing? So he learned that fast from the insiders.
And about the Rezko story, remember it was Obama who criticized Hillary first for being on the Board of Directors for Wal-Mart, before Hillary responded.
I guess it was alright for him to say say that and not her. The press picked up on it and ran with it. President Clinton compared his wife's voting record with that of Obama with regards the Iraq war and found them to be identical. That was how the "Fairy tale " issue came up. Again, the press ran with it and majority of the members of the Black Community got offened. For what? They were looking for a reason to vote the way they have been voting. Thank God not all of us. You must have a shallow mind to have forgotten how things were during the Clinton era. You mentioned that Hillary could not get the Health care program passed because she did not reach out to the other side. Easier said than done. I thought Obama could have convienced each and every one of the republican Senate member, to pass the legislation on health care for children and troop withdrawal from Iraq.
Obama always brag about his judgement. He was not in the Senate and as such could not have voted for or against the war despite the fact that a 5-Star General such as Collin Powell had a convincing evidence about Iraq's WMD. He would have been stupid not to listen to him as did his supporters like Kennedy, Kerry, Daschale and a host of others. If Hillary lacked good judgement , so did General Powell and these Obama's supporters that I just mentioned. To me they, did what they were supposed to have done based on the information they had. Now, the question should be how do we fix it and not how we got in? By the way I am an African and should have been more proud than any of you but let the truth be told. I lke both candidates and would not stand to see this Lady abused by everyone, even those that have not seen her in person except from what they hear from the people that hated her guts so much that they cannot stand her. Think about all these and see if can at least be fair in your criticisms of her. -
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truthsquad at 03/07/2008 6:27:52 AM
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Mark is completely wrong in linking Hillary to impeachment, Osama. Hillary was not involved in any impeachment proceedings. Hillary was not responsible for catching Osama. The Whitewater trial that involved millons of dollars did not result in any findings of any wrongdoing. Fact of the matter is that Obama tries to portray himself as above everyone in Washington and paints Washington as evil and still wants to be part of it. Hillary did not sleep with Monica. I wonder how you could reason like that? How could your wife be responsible for your student getting an "F" in Political Science exam when she is not the instructor? I do not understand your point all.
Why would an Obama adviser meet with the Canadian Consulate if their conversation was "supposed" as you said. Why were they meeting in the first place? Perhaps to look at each other. Remember, he denied it at first. Who broke the news. Was it not a newspaper?. Was it Hillary as everyone tends to blame her for everything?. All she did was tell the people who have not heard what Obama's adviser said about their stance on NAFTA. If that is playing dirty, I guess I must be seeing it differently.He was the one who keeps blaming Hillary about NAFTA and what he would do with NAFTA if elected only to claim that he was only saying all that for political purposes. That is not right and he claims to be above Washing politics. That is what upset a lot of folks like me. You do not play with my intelligence and expect me to play along because we are of the same race.
I must have to remind you that Obama was still in Chicago when the Iraq was proposition was voted. Hillary voted for it based on the information that was presented by a 4or 5-Star General in the person of Collin Powell, along with other Intelligence Agencies. You must in the President as well. If do not trust these people, I do not know who you could and how can claim to work with people when you could have voted otherwise in the face of such a threat after having been violated months earlier. Remember that Obama's chief supporters such as Kenndy, Kerry, Daschale and others black congress and Senate members, all voted like Hillary. They were not stupid. I would rather err on the side of caution that let country be attacked again. I do not know what else that could be said about the Clintons that is new. Obama thinks that they like him.Wait until he gets the nomination, You got just a small dose of it from the talk show host from Ohio, Mr. Cunningham. Please remember that Hillary is the one running and not former President Bill Clinton. They way you reason, I would not want you to be my political adviser even if I am running for a school Board office and stop hating. Show some love. -
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truthsquad at 03/07/2008 5:15:42 AM
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Prof. Sawyer, your whole point is mute. Hillary had nothing to do with impeachment nor Osama Bin Laden. The Government spent millons of dollars on the investigation and came up empty. The fact of the matter is that Obama has been portraying himself as the holy one and yet he has surrounded himself by the same Washington insiders.If the meeting with the Canadian Consulate was not authorized by Mr. Obama, why did he not fire that adviser right away after the news came out. He denied it when he was approached by the press. Had that denial been before the Grand jury, that would have turned into something else. How could he tell the masses one thing and then tell the people involved another thing? So he learned that fast from the insiders.
And about the Rezko story, remember it was Obama who criticized Hillary first for being on the Board of Directors for Wal-Mart, before Hillary responded.
I guess it was alright for him to say say that and not her. The press picked up on it and ran with it. President Clinton compared his wife's voting record with that of Obama with regards the Iraq war and found them to be identical. That was how the "Fairy tale " issue came up. Again, the press ran with it and majority of the members of the Black Community got offened. For what? They were looking for a reason to vote the way they have been voting. Thank God not all of us. You must have a shallow mind to have forgotten how things were during the Clinton era. You mentioned that Hillary could not get the Health care program passed because she did not reach out to the other side. Easier said than done. I thought Obama could have convienced each and every one of the republican Senate member, to pass the legislation on health care for children and troop withdrawal from Iraq.
Obama always brag about his judgement. He was not in the Senate and as such could not have voted for or against the war despite the fact that a 5-Star General such as Collin Powell had a convincing evidence about Iraq's WMD. He would have been stupid not to listen to him as did his supporters like Kennedy, Kerry, Daschale and a host of others. If Hillary lacked good judgement , so did General Powell and these Obama's supporters that I just mentioned. To me they, did what they were supposed to have done based on the information they had. Now, the question should be how do we fix it and not how we got in? By the way I am an African and should have been more proud than any of you but let the truth be told. I lke both candidates and would not stand to see this Lady abused by everyone, even those that have not seen her in person except from what they hear from the people that hated her guts so much that they cannot stand her. Think about all these and see if can at least be fair in your criticisms of her. -
Posted By:
jaimehlers at 03/07/2008 5:06:00 AM
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Honestly, I don't care all that much about the various past scandals that were brought up in this article about the Clintons. What I do care about is the fact that Hillary Clinton has barely any experience as an elected official. Seven years in the Senate, and that's about it.
Before that, there was being the First Lady for eight years, which is not the same thing as actually being elected. And before that was ten or twelve years of being the wife of the governor of Arkansas. In other words, at least 20 of the 35 years she's claiming of experience is nothing more than being in the public eye, which is not the same as actually making policy decisions and the like. And before that she was a lawyer. I dunno, but I wouldn't really consider that to be the kind of experience I'd be bragging about.
Let's see, her accomplishments as the First Lady...there was the health care debacle of 1993, which I suppose was an accomplishment, since the Republicans used it to oust the Democrats out of the majority. There was the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, and half-a-dozen or so other things along those lines, which I don't dispute were good things to have happened. But that's it. That's the sum total of her "experience" getting things done as the First Lady.
As far as her experience while Bill Clinton was the governor of Arkansas, she was a practicing lawyer through the entire period, and she served on the board of directors of a couple of non-profit organizations as well as companies such as Wal-Mart. I don't see that as being public service experience either.
The whole point here is that most of this experience she's bragging about is not all that substantual. It might look good on a resume, but it's not the same as being elected to a public office and making policy decisions, which sure sounds like what she's been claiming. And when you get right down to it, Obama actually has more experience as an elected official than she does (3 years in the Senate and 8 more in the Illinois state legislature, compared to 7 years in the Senate for Clinton).
Honestly, if I were going to make this decision based solely on experience, neither Clinton nor Obama would be able to hold a candle to McCain. That isn't the only reason, of course (in fact, it's not very important to me at all). But Clinton is not impressing me by inflating a handful policy initiatives during Bill Clinton's tenure in the White House and the governorship of Illinois into "35 years of experience".
A claim like that isn't going to stand up if it's closely examined. And you'd better believe that it's going to be closely examined if Clinton becomes the nominee. Forget Whitewater, the impeachment, and Osama bin Laden. If Clinton can't even substantiate her "35 years of experience" with real substance instead of various bits of fluff that make for nice sound bites, how the heck is she going to hold up to the inevitable right-wing attacks on her credibility? -
Posted By:
hotstuff at 03/07/2008 5:05:12 AM
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Finally, somebody is speaking up!! Anybody with a little decency would abhor the despicable "kitchen sink" tactics of the disposable Clintons! Billary should exit, before they destroy Obama, the party aand the nation! -
Posted By:
kathy at 03/07/2008 5:02