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The Clinton-Obama Mash-up
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Posted By:
dipfloroot at 04/29/2008 6:56:26 AM
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yah u nailed it, but on the flip side is it possible that Bill appointed more women to pave the way for his hubby? HRC(kbdipholo@yahoo.com) -
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vegastothedeuce at 02/29/2008 4:15:51 PM
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"The Audacity of Data"
"Sociologically, the Obamanauts have a lot in common with the last gang of Democratic outsiders to make a credible run at the White House. Like Bill Clinton in 1992, Obama's campaign boasts a cadre of credentialed achievers. Intellectually, however, the Obamanauts couldn't be more different. Clinton delighted in surrounding himself with big-think public intellectuals...You'd be hard-pressed to find a political philosopher in Obama's inner wonk-dom."
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=4d40a39e-8f57-4054-bd99-94bc9d19be1a -
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vegastothedeuce at 02/29/2008 4:08:24 PM
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http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=4d40a39e-8f57-4054-bd99-94bc9d19be1a
"The Audacity of Data"
"Sociologically, the Obamanauts have a lot in common with the last gang of Democratic outsiders to make a credible run at the White House. Like Bill Clinton in 1992, Obama's campaign boasts a cadre of credentialed achievers. Intellectually, however, the Obamanauts couldn't be more different. Clinton delighted in surrounding himself with big-think public intellectuals...You'd be hard-pressed to find a political philosopher in Obama's inner wonk-dom..." -
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alex_williams at 02/27/2008 7:06:54 PM
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I'm democrat and a Hillary supported. It looks like the democratic race will end next week. I like Obama but not some of his supporters. I am passionate about Hillary and what she stood for. She fought hard but was out smarted by Obama very fairly. My vote to Obama is not automatic. We will sit the election if Obama supporters treat Hillary like a "***". She ran a fiarly decent campaign and willlosse graciously. -
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solo1977 at 02/27/2008 6:43:42 PM
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Barack is very smart. I feel he chooses his words wisely and does not get easily upset. I was on the Team Clinton up until the last few days. Of course, my main thing is that they are both trying out for quarterback on the same team. Either Clinton or Obama will get elected for president and I will be satisfied, but let it be known I prefer Barack. -
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wmew at 02/27/2008 5:28:30 PM
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From Wendy Mew, CA
I really don't care what gender or color the president are, they can be white, black, red, yellow, blue, green or even purple. As long they done a good job serve the country best. Is all I can ask. I don't care about the scandals, every one has one, or not, I only look at the work what he or she had done so far for the people. For sake of America's economy. Obama ideal change is good, I really Ilke it, but right now we need to fix the economy first before the changes. What will happens if we got the changes but the economy gone worst? There may not be many politician will agree with the changes what will happen? I know what I'm talking about because l lost my job, and have been searching for like two or three whole years, I am living with my parent so I'm okay so far. For those who does not have any one to support now that really stinks. -
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Gdwnsouth at 02/27/2008 5:05:14 PM
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If you quit thinking of him as the first Black President maybe you can grasp the fact that he is Very intelligent and thoughtful and I think will way it out before he makes any rash decisions and will do a great job. Everery president is as only good as his advisors and I am sure that he will probably follow some advisors advice but the ultimate decision will be his. "Gdwnsouth" -
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proudofmycountry at 02/27/2008 4:26:13 PM
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It's unfortunate but racism will never end because blacks won't allow it. It's a constant excuse used even by the highest and brightest on the totem pole. Although I am not a supporter of Hillary Clinton I truly feel sorrow for her. She deserves a lot of credit to go against the boys club and up against black man who at anytime, and he has or his campaign has pull out a race card. Bill Clinton did pave the way for women and blacks to hold high powered positions and he must feel really sad about what's happening to his wife. It's ashame and I think when it's all said and done this country will suffer greatly for it. -
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Wiseprince at 02/27/2008 2:36:21 PM
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I must distainfully disagree with the condescending premise that somehow Bill Clinton "gave" blacks a "chance to prove" that they have what it takes to do the job. If you knew your history you'd know that people of African descent in this country arrived with many abilities (ie knowledge of farming cotton and rice), and, but for a legalized system of slavery and extreme repression that lasted from the nation's inception until a mere 30 years ago, would have demonstrated performance on par with anyone else who was given a fair chance.
Far from "giving" blacks anything, Clinton's appointments acknowledge the central role that blacks, having earned the right to vote after considerable blood, sweat and tears, played in getting him elected and reelected. Furthermore, they stand for the fact that America needs competent leaders, whatever their color might be. The fact that blacks did not recieve such appointments in the past is more attributable to white racism than black peoples' fitness or lack thereof. Similar analogies abound in sports: no white person ever gave blacks a chance to prove they were good in baseball, basketball and football: It became painfully apparent, to even the most biased observer, that talent knows no color line. Those sports teams that eschewed their racist presumptions early, and began to select players on the basis of ability instead of skin color, clearly benefitted. Their decision to do sowas based purely on self-interest, and not on any desire to give anyone anything. Peace. Omari. -
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mds123 at 02/27/2008 1:29:21 PM
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The Bush dynasty, of course, played its own role in prepping America for a black commander in chief by placing Powell and Rice in charge of the country's most sensitive foreign policy and defense issues. But those appointments would have been unimaginable before Clinton.
this statement is nonsense...colin powell was chairman of the jcs under *** cheney, for cryin' out loud...rice was a longtime protege of brent scowcroft...the simple empirical truth is that bush 1 had an excellent record of identifying and appointing world-class black-americans to top-tier positions...did clinton's administration do even better? yes...but the notion that clinton paved the way for powell and rice is not supported by either history or the facts...
barack doesn't owe bill much at all -
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othellot at 02/27/2008 12:46:59 PM
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While it is true that Bill Clinton appointed blacks and women to important positions, giving him credit for the appointments of Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice is preposterous. George W. Bush, a Republican, is responsible for appointing the only 2 blacks to hold the most powerful Cabinet position.
The reason they were appointed without fanfare or opposition is that Bush chose to do it that way. Bush also remained loyal to both Powell and Rice whan they were criticized by ultra-conservatives. Contrast that with Clinton's abandonment of Lani Guinier and Joycelyn Elders, and his selfish attempts to involve Betty Currie and Vernon Jordan in the cover-up of his illicit affair with Monica Lewinsky.
Bill Clinton did just enough for blacks and women to convince them to continue to vote for Democrats. If Obama owes him for anything it is for sabotaging his wife's campaign for the Democratic nomination. -
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warrior dowager at 02/27/2008 11:54:55 AM
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Hillary our American President
Obama your American Idol -
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thrasher at 02/27/2008 10:10:15 AM
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Clinton's contempt for strong Black opinions is legendary from Sista Soulja to the sista who was the country's sg during his presidency... -
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rennie at 02/27/2008 8:18:43 AM
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Didn't Jimmy Carter appoint the first African American cabinet member? --Patricia Harris. -
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afjagfam at 02/27/2008 7:39:11 AM
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The democratic party wanted to make Mr. Obama a star...remember all the commentary surrounding his keynote address? I don't understand all the handwringing, now that he is the frontrunner for the nomination. They should all line up behind him because they've gotten their wish. afjagfam -
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afjagfam at 02/27/2008 7:37:51 AM
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The democratic party wanted to make Mr. Obama a star of the party...remember the keynote address? They have gotten what they wanted, so it is hard to understand all the handwringing now that he is the frontrunner for the nomination. KLD -
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Ganpat at 02/27/2008 7:36:57 AM
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What will you say in a year's time when Obama's gaudy bubble has burst and he is universally despised for his empty rhetoric and feeding on white naivete and guilt-complex? -
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hendal at 02/27/2008 5:23:00 AM
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While your idea of a musical mash-up might apply in some ways to the political situation now gripping the country; it is only partially so. It is also to ignore in some measure the brilliant intellect of Barack Obama or the neaqr perfect campaign he has so far fought.
Whatever the outcome of the Democratic primary season, Obama has made history and has charted a course for future brothers and sisters to push right through that glass ceiling and aim for the most powerful job on the planet. Few of the brothers and sisters appear not to understand what is at stake here and what is taking place at this time. Our foreparents did not quite get the forty acres and the mule, but today we stand at the threshold of something far bigger, far greater tham Martin Luther King or Malcolm X could have envisaged at the time of their greatest victories and so my brother I say to you, whether Bill Clinton made it possible or not, the prize is there for the taking.
hendal2@yahoo.com
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