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  • Posted By:
    tina5959 at 06/13/2008 10:13:35 AM
    Comment:
    Yes. Nobody cares about Donald Young too, the gay Choir Director at Trinity Church in Chicago who knew Obama. Is a cover up going on?
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    ewe at 06/02/2008 7:49:16 PM
    Comment:
    i think your path of going after blonde matthew shepard to make a point of hatred and murder of gay people of color is sacrificing one for the same. It is non productive in my opinion.
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    lacie at 03/04/2008 9:22:48 PM
    Comment:
    Humans are not fucking animals, and people should know that it's not okay to kill someone because they are different! That's ridiculous. There are a million things "unnatural" (fake boobs, hair extentions anyone?) in the world that are perfectly accepted by society, so that's not it at all. The problem is hate, and ignorance, and that hate and ignorance being spread around STLL TODAY! And if you think it isn't, then you have NO fucking clue at all! I happen to know how angry little kids around here get if they are accused of being "gay." It's not surprising that this happened, but it's still horrific. I hope this kids(the murderer's) parents are happy with their fucked up little boy. Maybe their parents homophobia wasn't so harmless? Or, maybe they were good people who just never got around to teaching their kid any better. Who knows.
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    panopticon7 at 02/29/2008 8:13:06 PM
    Comment:
    oops--didn't mean to say something controversial!
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    panopticon7 at 02/29/2008 3:54:39 PM
    Comment:
    you know, none of this makes any sense without the religious context that invariably surrounds it. when you remove the religious component, it's just senseless violence that confuses and astounds those of us with the capacity to be shocked and thrown into despair. but these acts simply do not happen in a vacuum. they are entirely culturally prescribed. like bigots clinging to tales of the fictional Ham of the old testament who came upon his fictional father naked and was thus forever punished--with dark skin according to this fairy tale; as if dark skin were a punishment when everyone from that location was at the very least swarthier than proponents of this racist propaganda--the violence upon gays, as you note, hardly just teens, is simply part and parcel of a rich history of religious bloodshed. those who espouse these views are simply doing what is encouraged--they are not "misinterpreting" at all; they are doing what the credulous faithful are whimpering needs to be done, namely, they are, in all actuality, READING what is written and what is written pungently demands precisely what is done. now, whether or not every perpetrator has theological underpinnings remains debatable, but one thing is indisputable--this violence is endemic to the culture that embraces those lunatic screeds held "holy." no death sentences scripturally pronounced, no death sentences imposed for those reasons; no death tacitly supported by a fraudulent, venal and vile administration. without recognition of the religious element, this bloodshed will remain a mystery of rootless sociopathy that will defy comprehension.
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      HeatherGranthamNSCanada at 03/01/2008 6:14:28 AM
      Comment:
      Actually, I think it can be argued less and less that bigotry is directly resultant from religious convictions. Religion plays an ever decreasing role in the day to day lives of people in North America. I truly believe that homosexuality would be met with adverse reaction even without its religious foundation. It defies the "natural laws" of propogation and therefore is "threatening".
      Please do not assume that I condone violence begotten out of this aversion. I, myself, am a ***. I believe it is natural to find homosexuality "odd". We are, after all, animals. However, as humans we possess a higher intellect that sets us apart from other animals and with that should come the recognition that this "abnormality" is not a threat. And with that realization should come the responsibility to not react to homosexuality in a violent manner.
      I, as a ***, have never once asked for acceptance. I completely understand how my way of life could be completely incomprehensible or even abhorrent to someone who is straight. However, I do ask for tolerance because my way of life hurts no one.
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    panopticon7 at 02/29/2008 2:54:57 PM
    Comment:
    you know, none of this makes any sense without the religious context that invariably surrounds it. when you remove the religious component, it's just senseless violence that confuses and astounds those of us with the capacity to be shocked and thrown into despair. but these acts simply do not happen in a vacuum. they are entirely culturally prescribed. like bigots clinging to tales of the fictional Ham of the old testament who came upon his fictional father naked and was thus forever punished--with dark skin according to this fairy tale; as if dark skin were a punishment when everyone from that location was at the very least swarthier than proponents of this racist propaganda--the violence upon gays, as you note, hardly just teens, is simply part and parcel of a rich history of religious bloodshed. those who espouse these views are simply doing what is encouraged--they are not "misinterpreting" at all; they are doing what the credulous faithful are whimpering needs to be done, namely, they are, in all actuality, READING what is written and what is written pungently demands precisely what is done. now, whether or not every perpetrator has theological underpinnings remains debatable, but one thing is indisputable--this violence is endemic to the culture that embraces those lunatic screeds held "holy." no death sentences scripturally pronounced, no death sentences imposed for those reasons; no death tacitly supported by a fraudulent, venal and vile administration. without recognition of the religious element, this bloodshed will remain a mystery of rootless sociopathy that will defy comprehension.
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    kavonelyoh at 02/29/2008 1:31:31 PM
    Comment:
    Did you mean "intolerance" in this sentence: "Nonetheless, they reveal a brutal reality lurking below the surface of our nation's increasing "tolerance" of gay people."
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    Mommyof2nLovely at 02/29/2008 12:21:47 PM
    Comment:
    It can be hard to be different in any way these days. Everyone says racism is over (which it isnt), and to me it seems the whole "gay vs straight" issue has replaced the war on skin colors. My father in law is transgender and I think she is the most beautiful woman in the world. As the old saying goes "why cant we all just get along?" Its all a fear of the unknown based anger. I really dont know what we can do in the face of this, except stand up and support our friends, be they straight, gay, ***, transgender..whatever.People need to stand up for eachother more often.
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    myopinionmatters at 02/29/2008 9:19:46 AM
    Comment:
    How sad. Here we are in a society that claims to be so "tolerant" and these atrocities are happening every day. Shame on all of us who allow this to happen. Until we all stand up for individuality and humanity, these horrors will continue.
  • Posted By:
    Tara at 02/28/2008 3:46:34 PM
    Comment:
    Thanks for this piece. Very enlightening.
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    Lalita at 02/28/2008 11:05:04 AM
    Comment:
    Now, while I'm still processing this, it seems to me that our Black community could do with a dose of truth-telling: we hate women and all things feminine. That's the only way I can think of to explain why Black boy after Black man would, first use only women-centered terms to insult each other (***, woman, ***) or could see themselves murdering one another if they felt their manhood was being "slandered" by such an insult (or worse, the insult of being found attractive).

    I spoke with a cousin not too long ago. He was 15 and, in that way he has, he'd called me to ask what I thought of something he was experiencing. "Auntie Lita, this *** likes me and I want to punch him." Rather than giving his both barrels, I asked why it bothered him. "It really doesn't," he said "but the other guys at school won't leave it alone." It seemed he was considering hitting the kid in front of his peers to prove he wasn't gay. Stupid. Potentially harmful, but stupid nonetheless. We talked long into the evening he and I (his father, a minister, is staunchly anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-Hispanic, anti-Moslem...) and he figured out that if he had to hit people to prove his manhood he might end up punching people every day. He decided against it. Though barely.

    Lalita Amos
    http://valuesalliance.org
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    ShariD at 02/28/2008 5:53:58 AM
    Comment:
    I feel it's a shame that no one wants to address the prevalence of sexual predatory abuse of young boys by older gay males who have also been abused as young children. No, I'm not stereotyping and saying that all gay males are pedophiles. But I have found that this is a silent thing in the gay community. As a straight woman living in NY for most of my life, it has been my experience that many gay males don't want to talk about what has happened to them or their first sexual experience - it's just too painful. Why was this 15 year old wearing lipstick? If we really saw what his life was like from the time he was child, something tells me that he'd be less a martyr, more a tragedy of abuse. No, what this young man was exhibiting was not innocence. He was exhibiting much pain and confusion. At 15, this isn't an act of courage - wearing high heels and lipstick and jewelry. This young man needed someone to be courageous and find out what his life was really like to help him through this time of adolescence - and to help him. Why was he in a group home? I want to know more about Lawrence King's life, not just snippets.
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      ewe at 06/02/2008 7:55:55 PM
      Comment:
      you have got to be kidding. If not, let me be the first to tell you to stop analyzing. Being Homosexual does not have its roots in abuse. Lawrene King may very well have been transgendered. We will never know because he was taken out. So what happened to you Shari that made you the way you are? i mean those comments surely must have come from some first experience that you are burying and just don't want to face.
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      HeatherGranthamNSCanada at 03/01/2008 5:26:31 AM
      Comment:
      I'd also just like to add that no one "freaks out" when little girls dress as tomboys but when little boys dress as girls...well LOOKOUT there must be some deep seated psychological disturbance at play here. Why is it that this double standard exists? I think it was really brave of this young man to be true to himself at such an early age. It breaks my heart that ultimately this cost him his life. As a female, I too stood out as a tomboy at his age. It was, of course, far more acceptable by society. Had I been male and wishing to express my feminine side....
      It desperately needs to be taught from a young age that being different does not equal being a threat or being a lesser person and that being associated with persons who are different is ok.

      "He was exhibiting much pain and confusion"? I beg to differ because when I wore my hightop canvas converse with beaten up jeans, my dad's dress shirt and a tie, all I was exhibiting was what I chose to wear that day. And yes, I did it to identify myself as a ***. And I did that in hopes of connecting with someone else who shared what in adolescence can be a very confusing thing to be. I also did it so that I would "know" right away who among the schoolyard would be likely to be accepting of me and my entire person and who would not I also did so to send the message that I was who I was and was in no way going to pretend out of fear to be otherwise. Most importantly, I did so because I realized that there were likely others in the same boat as me who would be afraid to speak to anyone about it and in dressing as I did, I sent the msg that I was someone they could confide in.
      Now, at age 35, I'm willing to bet no one can tell I am a *** by looking at me. It was something I did to express my sexual identity in a very confusing time (middle and senior high school) for adolescents no matter what their sexual orientation may be.
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      HeatherGranthamNSCanada at 03/01/2008 5:25:39 AM
      Comment:
      Huh? Ok. Hmm where to begin. Firstly, pedophilia is not a homosexual or heterosexual issue. Homosexual men have sex with other consenting adult males. Pedophiles prey sexually upon children. The vast majority of pedophiles are men who identify themselves as heterosexual in their choice of adult partners. Please stop equating the two. They are vastly different things. The following information on this critically important distinction was found on the website religioustolerance.org.
      Sexual orientation is normally thought of in terms of an adult's sexual attraction to other adults, whether to members of the same gender, opposite gender or both genders. When we think of the term "***" we normally visualize a women who has been sexually attracted to (or involved with) another woman. But there are adults who do not fit this definition. They have never developed a sexual orientation towards other adults. Rather, they are sexually attracted to children. And often the gender of the child victim is immaterial. One researcher defines a "fixated child molesters" as any adult who is solely attracted to children. They also define the term "regressed child molester" as any adult who has developed a sexual orientation towards other adults, but is also attracted to children.

      (quote) One study involved 175 male adults who had been convicted in Massachusetts of child sexual assault. They found that none of them were homosexuals; all of them would fit the description of a fixated child molester. They were sexually attracted only to children and not to other adults. 2 Another researcher studied sexually abused children seen in a hospital. Only 2 perpetrators (less than 1% of the total) were homosexuals (i.e. were attracted to same-sex adults).

      The Massachusetts study includes a reference to a survey of literature of child sexual abuse by Paul Cameron in 1985. Cameron's conclusion was that (on a per-capita basis) homosexuals were more liable to abuse children than bisexuals, and that bisexuals were more apt to abuse than heterosexuals. The fatal flaw in this survey was that the articles that Cameron studied assumed that in any case where a male adult abused a male child, then the perpetrator was, by his definition, a homosexual. (end quote)
  • Posted By:
    Raiderman at 02/28/2008 12:03:01 AM
    Comment:
    What is not included in this discussion is the fact that while violence was not the answer to their declaration of their homosexuality, most people do not, nor want to know about their sexual orientation.
  • Posted By:
    IgnorantWhiteLiberal at 02/27/2008 9:44:21 PM
    Comment:
    Homophobia in the African American Community: As an ignorant white liberal, it seems to me that homophobia is much more virulent and blatant in the African American community. I find it aggravating and ironic that the very people who were discriminated against are now doing just that to yet another hated upon minority. Justifications for homophobia are often done through citing the Bible which has been used historically to justify segregation, slavery, and oppression of all kinds.

    Am I wrong in making such statements? Is what I have said illogical or in poor taste? Then rebuke me, rebuff me, whatever you want to do and let's get to the bottom of this. I hope this makes an interesting and stimulating conversation.

    And by the way, TheRoot should have a forum.
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    IgnorantWhiteLiberal at 02/27/2008 4:00:00 PM
    Comment:
    "The problem is that some gay males think it is OK to display loose morals and try to pick up any man they think might be willing to sleep with them."

    The flamboyantly gay male who flaunts his homosexuality is only one type of homosexual and is more often the stereotype you see on T.V. rather than a person you meet in real life.

    Also, if you are a straight male saying this and you have hit on girls at clubs or have talked to a woman in a bookstore because she's cute, then you my friend are a hypocrite. People want companionship in their lives and are willing to take chances to get it... what's so wrong with that?

    "...What you do behind closed doors is your business, but why do you have to flaunt it in public and embarrass those who are trying hard to mind their own business?"

    Why should one have to suppress who they are just because you're uncomfortable with that identity? It's one thing if they're making sexual advances on you, it's another if they're just "being gay" on their own.

    "...Tread lightly when enemies are in your camp."

    I suspect you're still suffering from homophobia. As some singer says, "Free your mind and the rest will follow."
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      HeatherGranthamNSCanada at 03/01/2008 5:34:53 AM
      Comment:
      I find it really infuriating when people use the "we flaunt our sexuality and hit on ppl left and right" line of arguing. As a *** in high school it took me MONTHS to work up to even divulging my sexuality to someone I was attracted to (risking rejection right there) and then months after that to working up to telling someone I was attracted to them. It was TERRIFYING. Not only were you risking being turned down for a date but you also ran the risk of being turned away from that person entirely.
      The idea that gays and lesbians go around hitting on people left and right is ridiculous at best. Yes it does make for some pretty colourful hollywood characters but I have extremely rarely witnessed it in real life in my entire 35 years as a gay woman. I truly believe the very few homosexual people who do act in the "stereotypical homosexual" out to get everyone they can way are doing so in some sort of defense mechanism way. ie. If they are acting outrageous and like they are trying to land sex with everyone, then one rejection won't be as humiliating or painful.
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    mozcram at 02/27/2008 1:34:24 PM
    Comment:
    Semaj,
    Your words are blindly ignorant; I know that you are probably meaning to be helpful, but you miss the glaring and obvious point. We should never verbally push down others in our midst because they are different. The almost systematic intimidation of glbt people in our schools, and then crimes of hatred... these cannot be acceptable or justifiable by any grown person. It is important to not get distracted into judging where the line should be drawn, that x is acceptable and y is "loose morals" and therefore, violence or murder are then understandable. No, making assumptions that these victims are to blame because they might have tried to "pick up any man they think might be willing to sleep with them," that is not good... straight men may be as much or more likely to engage in that kind of behavior as glbt folks.
    So, let's not let closeted violent or secretly hateful people tell us, it's your own fault. And let's not engage in the ranking of groups of people game.
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    wmseattle at 02/27/2008 1:23:12 PM
    Comment:
    in response to this article and semaj1938's comments gay men display no more loose morals than straight men who openly come on to women in fashions that are at their least rude, if not offensive. perhaps thats just a "problem" for men period. what people straight or gay get caught up in is when someone comes on to us who's advances we dont appreciate or enjoy, we start thinking about what does that say about me? something this person perceives in me has caused this unwanted advance and so i will strike out at my admirer because he or she has got it twisted. the fact is it really isnt about the admirer, but what's going on inside the head of the person who is the object of the affection. to break it down- this person is coming on to me cause he thinks i'm gay, so i'm going to beat him down to show that aint true. respecting the rights of others goes both ways...if someone comes on to you and you arent interested say no thanks and walk away...it really aint worth putting a bullet in somebody's head...and it says nothing about your manhood.

    WM- Seattle, WA
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    Warren.Sensei at 02/27/2008 12:56:56 PM
    Comment:
    I must respond to semaj1838

    Yes I agree with you that there are gay individuals who have loose morals, and who give us all a bad image to heterosexists. But tell me, do you think that this would have been the reaction if King had been a girl to whom the other boy was not attracted? I think rather not. A person should be free to have crushes on people who don't return the feelings as a matter of course for human existance, without having to fear for their lives.

    Men try to "pick up" dis-interested women all the time, and no-one kills them for that. But if a guy tries to pick up another guy, and makes the same mistake of choosing as the object of interest a disinterested (str8) guy, BAM he is killed, and then blamed for being "too forward" and "embarrasing" the other guy.

    Yo are right to say that "we are all created equal in God's sight", and created by that God. But you, along with many in your position, have a long way to come to tryuly understand what that means, and not take offense when our 'differences' touch your life directly.

    ~Warren
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    KathleenMorse at 02/27/2008 11:52:52 AM
    Comment:
    After seeing Henry Gates jr. on the Colbert Report today, I could not wait to find this webzine. I am a 60 year old gay woman who has been in my relationship for over 30 years. I am so thrilled to see this artyicle here. When I was young gay Black people were hated even more by their own community than anyone. It was evident by their fear . It was much stronger than most of ours. I always thought that was strange because the same people in our society who were homophobic were also racist and sexist and any other ist or ism you can think of. Jesses' Rainbow coalition was the truth. United we rule, divided we get what we've got. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I've been a heavy duty political activist and have worked for change since I was 13. Reading this today was heart lifting and crushing at the same time. I will be a supporter and reader of your 'zine forever. Namaste. Kathleen Morse, Syracuse, NY.
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    sadiekate at 02/27/2008 12:40:13 AM
    Comment:
    This was a good article; thank you for informing me of the many attacks against the GBLT community. Would just comment to the previous poster that women are constantly the target of comments and pick-up lines from skeevy males but we don't go around stomping someone's head in because of it. This has nothing to do with gays "flaunting" their differences and everything to do with straight people not freaking out. Tolerance always.
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    edrennon at 02/26/2008 10:23:41 PM
    Comment:
    I???m frightened by these events and the nation???s response to them. I don???t understand how communities and individuals that would consider themselves righteous are letting these things happen to nameless, faceless youth throughout the country. In response, to semaj???s comments, I wince at the distortion of masculinity as something that is threatened by homosexuality. Have our gender identities become for fragile that lasciviousness or advances from someone of the same sex require us to defend ourselves? If we are to be tactful and keep our sexual identities behind closed doors (because it???s just ???safer??? that way) then semaj are you also calling for this maxim to include heterosexual men (should they too ???stop flaunting in public and embarrassing those who are trying to mind their own business????
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    plumpdn at 02/26/2008 8:41:39 PM
    Comment:
    I was so saddened when I heard about the recent death of this little boy. What made it worse were reports that he was in a group home because his family left him for some "unknown" reason. I don't understand what kind of children and adults these are at all.
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      Lalita at 02/28/2008 11:19:56 AM
      Comment:
      I don't either. First, there's no excuse for acts of "face saving" physical violence. No one's reputation is worth another life. Second, being seen as desirable is nothing to be ashamed about. If you're confident in your personhood, you just take it in stride, say "Thanks but no thanks (or "Yeah, I'll meet you for a Cosmo")" and go about your business.

      We've got to snap out of it.
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    edrennon at 02/26/2008 8:33:32 PM
    Comment:
    I???m frightened by these events and the nation???s response to them. I don???t understand how communities and individuals that would consider themselves righteous are letting these things happen to nameless, faceless youth throughout the country. In response, to semaj???s comments, I wince at the distortion of masculinity as something that is threatened by homosexuality. Have our gender identities become for fragile that lasciviousness or advances from someone of the same sex require us to defend ourselves? If we are to be tactful and keep our sexual identities behind closed doors (because it???s just ???safer??? that way) then semaj are you also calling for this maxim to include heterosexual men (should they too ???stop flaunting in public and embarrassing those who are trying to mind their own business????
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    Warren.Sensei at 02/26/2008 7:51:32 PM
    Comment:
    I must respond to semaj1838

    Yes I agree with you that there are gay individuals who have loose morals, and who give us all a bad image to heterosexists. But tell me, do you think that this would have been the reaction if King had been a girl to whom the other boy was not attracted? I think rather not. A person should be free to have crushes on people who don't return the feelings as a matter of course for human existance, without having to fear for their lives.

    Men try to "pick up" dis-interested women all the time, and no-one kills them for that. But if a guy tries to pick up another guy, and makes the same mistake of choosing as the object of interest a disinterested (str8) guy, BAM he is killed, and then blamed for being "too forward" and "embarrasing" the other guy.

    Yo are right to say that "we are all created equal in God's sight", and created by that God. But you, along with many in your position, have a long way to come to tryuly understand what that means, and not take offense when our 'differences' touch your life directly.

    ~Warren
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    taylorSiluwe at 02/26/2008 5:44:33 PM
    Comment:
    Kai -- Thank you for voicing these thoughts which have been swirling about in my head.

    RJR in PA: How dare you call it flaunting. Is it flaunting when heteros kiss in public? Is it flaunting when construction workers hoot and holla when a pretty woman goes by?

    If we are all equal as you say, then why do homosexuals have to keep it under cover? I have just as much right to 'flirt' with anyone just as a straight man can be a bit of a pig with women without getting killed.

    It IS a sad era when comments like yours are supportive while reeking in the same dank homophobia that causes the problem in the first place. You need to take a good look at yourself, you ain't changed that much. ~~ tS
    • Posted By:
      Lalita at 02/28/2008 11:16:46 AM
      Comment:
      To add to your thought here about "keeping it under cover..."

      I used to teach human sexuality at a Big Ten university. Care to guess the percentage of straight male intended skin magazines that had at least one depiction of woman-to-woman sexual contact?

      All of them.

      So, guys, I'd suggest you all start telling the truth here: you love videos and other porn with "***" depictions. They get your rocks off. Penthouse is full of "stories" where one lonely stud walks in on two gorgeous dykes getting it on and, taking one look at him, they invite him to come and fulfull his greatest fantasy with them.

      What we're not saying is that our men don't seem to like women and all things feminine all that much these days. The worst insult you can pay a man? ***. ***. Woman.

      Come on, now. We can't have one set of homosexuals as objects of lust and other set as objects of scorn.

      Best,
      Mrs. Lalita Amos
      http://valuesalliance.org
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    semaj1938 at 02/26/2008 8:16:50 AM
    Comment:
    It is a sad era when humans react violently to difference. Whether it be gender difference, race, color, speech or religious preference, our society has evolved into an "I'm better then they are" mind-set.
    Even my own mores have changed over the years from total unacceptance of gays to the realization that we are all created equal in God's sight. Heterosexuals males find it hard to condone or ignore even the slightest advance from a gay man. The problem is that some gay males think it is OK to display loose morals and try to pick up any man they think might be willing to sleep with them.
    Most individuals can tolerate and even understand the differences. What you do behind closed doors is your business, but why do you have to flaunt it in public and embarrass those who are trying hard to mind their own business?
    Respect the rights of others and tread lightly when enemies are in your camp.
    Please use a little common sense. --
    RJR in Pennsylvania
    • Posted By:
      IgnorantWhiteLiberal at 02/27/2008 10:17:43 PM
      Comment:
      There have been countless millenia of human hatred and violence. Humans seems to find differences in each other and use those differences to justify hatred, violence, and oppression. This certainly isn't the first era of human hatred and violence and it definitely won't be the last. We'll be hating somebody else pretty soon.
    • Posted By:
      ac at 02/27/2008 11:37:43 AM
      Comment:
      Oh RJR - you have so much more to learn in your "tolerance" of others. Only in your deepest nightmares or fantasies do gay men make advances to straight men or try to "pick them up". Are you saying you could be "tolerant" of gays if only they didn't insistent on being themselves in your precious presence? So then you would support a rise in violence on people of color if they insist upon being "dark" and not hiding that sh** away. You'd blame the parapelgic mugging vicitm for not running from her attackers? True tolerance is accepting that we are not cookie cutter identical images of each other and learning to be okay with someone being "different" in our presence recognizing that it has no negative impact on our lives.
    • Posted By:
      plumpdn at 02/26/2008 8:45:14 PM
      Comment:
      So if women start murdering straight men for making advances in public, will you ask that straight men too exercise "common sense"? I rarely hear about women killing each other over unwanted advances from other women (have never heard of it, but I am sure someone will dredge something up). You are excusing barbaric behavior by placing the blame on the victim. Don't forget to remind battered spouses to line up the hand towels correctly too.
      • Posted By:
        HeatherGranthamNSCanada at 03/01/2008 6:02:44 AM
        Comment:
        Oh, although some might argue that this is a slightly different issue as the person in question was gender dysphoric rather than homosexual persay, on the topic of violence such as this perpetrated against females see the life of Teena Brandon. Or, if you prefer, the movie about her entitled "Boys Don't Cry".
      • Posted By:
        HeatherGranthamNSCanada at 03/01/2008 5:47:19 AM
        Comment:
        hmm hang on.... good point. So if, as a ***, a man hits on me....it's ok for me to kill him?
      • Posted By:
        HeatherGranthamNSCanada at 03/01/2008 5:46:15 AM
        Comment:
        Heh actually, as a *** in junior and senior high school i received death threats and threats of violence on a daily basis (unfortunately no exaggeration) from other girls. They would accuse me of looking at them on the school grounds. In actuality, I was looking at my feet 99% of the time out of fear of them. So yep, women/girls do threaten and perpetrate violence against lesbians. At least at that age they do.
        I was not once harassed about my sexuality by boys at that time. In fact, most of them thought I was pretty cool for being brave enough to be me and none of them tried the "can i watch?" crap until much after high school. Incidentally, just in case any heterosexual men are reading this, asking a *** if you can somehow be involved in their sex life is not only offensive but just plain futile. Bisexuals, sure ask them but for god's sake, when I say I am a happily married *** please treat me with the same respect you would if I had said I were married to a man. Sheesh.
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