At Some Pools, Still Waters Run Deep

By The Buzz | Posted: July 9, 2009

From Melissa Harris-Lacewell at The Nation:

"For my daughter the moment came in kindergarten. Even though she was the only African American girl in her classroom, she made friends easily, adored her teacher, and was growing in confidence as a student. Then in May, just a few weeks from the year's end it happened. She and a little white boy were playing together at recess as they had done all year when he looked at her and said, "You know, I would like you better if you would take off your brown skin and put on some white skin."

It was 2008 and we live in a liberal enclave in the Northeast.

She was confused, hurt, and surprised when she told the story. She wasn't completely sure what it meant, but I could hear in her voice the creeping, sticky shame of inferiority. I sat listening with my stomach in my feet and a voice in my head screaming, "Not yet. It's only kindergarten. Not yet. Not yet."

I had a similar reaction when I first heard the story about the racism at a pool just outside of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania . A group of black and Latino children from Philadelphia's's Creative Steps Summer Day Camp were turned away from the predominately white Valley Swim Club because "There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club." They were turned away despite the fact that the day camp paid $1900 and prearranged the swimming period. It appears the core resistance to the presence of black and brown children came from white adult members of the pool."

Read the rest of the article here.

Yesterday when we posted about this incident, some felt we were wringing our hands and acting like little children since we had the audacity to post about it at all. If shedding light on shameful acts of discrimination is the stuff of children and hand wringers, then children we are and hand wringer we shall remain.

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Misterb...I think you are right. Freaky is one of those overweight...and undersized..white guys that have an obsession with what blacks are thinking and doing. I've known his type before. They creep around chat rooms and blogs..particularly those where blacks frequent. Little jabs here..little stabs there..then they hide behind their monitors and keyboards..a staunch supporter of Sarah Palin and still can't get over the terrible reality that a Black Man..greater than he or his ancestors or his off spring (should his sperm count be high enough) will or ever could be...now sits in the White House. Election night must've been hell. His name really isnlt Freaky..its... L O S E R .

Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2009

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I agree that your observations are correct…. It’s just that you are preaching to the choir my friend! Well at least those of us that know the history of this Country. But thanks (that is if you are really a white person) for your candor and intelligence. Please do not pay attention to people like Freaky, and yes Bunt I think that He/She is not only white but a racist white who reads the Root to keep up with what those Black folks are doing. He/She chose their name appropriately.
As for the comparison to the Chicago grave robbers incident, unless I missed something this is still a crime scene that they are investigating, and the race of the culprit has not been determined. Seeing how Chicago is a majority white city, how can you even generally assume that they are Black?

Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2009

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Freaky..either you are a white masquerading as a black in this blog or you are one of those pathetic blacks whom whites just love having around. The kind that smile and grin and excuse and look past their transgressions. I wonder what you must say regarding black professionals ( or not professionals) attempting to hail a taxi in New York..and can't do so. Or the black pulled over by the cops..just for driving ..while black and so on and so forth for centuries past.

If you are a black you have no concept of who you are or where you came from or how you are part of the fabric of the country..not just some visitor..unless you're one of those Carribbean blacks. If you are a true black American you know full well it is your obligation to stand up to crap like the Pool Club. You stand up not only for yourself but for your children and for their children and for your ancestors. If you recall ..thats why blacks stood in tears when Obama was elected. It wasn't just their own joy..but a joy for all the blacks that came before and all the blacks that will come after we are gone. Remember..the idiots who own the club will pay out a hell of a lot more in law suits and settlements than if they lose business from their members. Let it be a lesson .

Now Freaky you may return to bowing and grinning and attempting to win favor...which you never shall..despite being the Good Negro.

Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2009

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You need to read the actual story before commenting. This is a business and whoever your regular customers are is who you listen to. If the pool's regular customers are ignorant of what it means to be poor, black and from the inner city then they're going to be afraid of them no matter what those kids do, and if enough of those customers call and complain to the pool's management then they now have to make a choice: refund the money and let the camp and their one-time purchase go on their way, or tell your regular customers to shove it and risk going out of business once the camp and their one-time money are gone. So I'll ask it, since you're so hot and heavy to comdemn this pool for being a cross-burning bastion of racism, if the pool had chosen to tell their regular membership to go to Hizzell and the went out of business because of it, could I expect to see you (and hundreds of other blacks) marching through that neighborhood protesting the racists who did it? But I can answer that for you, no, since you wouldn't have ever heard a word about it on the news.

Instead of peeing in the pool, why not worry about black folk who are digging up their own, burning up their bodies and hiding their gravestones so their loved ones might never know they were gone while basically embezzling hundreds of thousands of dollars? But hey, a brotha's gotta get by, right?

Posted: Monday, July 13, 2009

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Freaky, dear friend, the pool publicly advertised Open Enrollment to utilize the facilities. They accepted funds and scheduled the campers visit. I really suspect if they had been a group of cherub faced blond children from an adjacent suburban town ..say..Cub Scouts...few comments would have been made nor would they have been asked to leave. Too many kids in the pool? Limit the number in the water. But who are we fooling..surely not blacks. We know the tune too often too many times. We've heard it played..our parents heard it played..our great grandparents have heard it played. Its played when the motel vacancy light was on..until the black faced walked in the door. Oops!..Sorry..no rooms available. It played when the advertised job was suddenly...taken..when the black face attempted to apply. It played in restaurants when for some reason all those whites who came in last...were served first. It played when the advertised apartment...was suddenly not available anymore.
The tune has played when Rodney King..one man..was beaten by 15 thug cops..and it was explained away..cops got off. The tune played when the innocent black man in New York was gunned down by 41 shots. It played when another black man was raped with a stick by two New York cops..yup..there is always an attempt to explain it all ..away. Its just those blacks being paranoid..its just those blacks being too sensiitive..its just those blacks complaining.

Now I hear the pool has invited them back? No, sue them..make em spend time and money on lawyers..then..take their money..build your own pool. Whats that old saying? "He who screws last..screws deeply."

You ready Freaky?

Posted: Monday, July 13, 2009

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in the Philly story..civil rights were violated..

Their civil rights were not violated, Title II of the Civil Rights Act specifically exempts private clubs; at best, racial sensitivities were tweaked and a lot of media fluff will ensue as it already has.

...a child being made to feel less than an American citizen in their own country by a bunch of working class 2 generation off the boat morons is another story...

You think this is the first time poor, inner city kids were kicked out of a pool? Don't project your own delusions of grandeur upon these kids. No matter what color you are, being poor always rubs some people the wrong way.

Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2009

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Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2009

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Freaky..in the Philly story..civil rights were violated..no one is under arrest but believe me..they will pay in court.. In Chicago..the idiots are under arrest..no civil rights were violated but they will spend time in jail. Hurt feelings one gets over...a child being made to feel less than an American citizen in their own country by a bunch of working class 2 generation off the boat morons is another story. Blacks have heard that story in different forms all their lives. Thats why its front page news. Get it?

Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2009

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It sounds like you need a psychological examination. The big white conspiracy, along with the big homosexual conspiracy and the liberal agenda...ooga booga! Why don't you go to Google Trends and search for 'Chicago graves' versus 'Philadelphia pool' and tell me who's "getting away with it". In Philadelphia nothing was hurt but feelings; in Chicago the families, the property and the history of hundreds of people may have potentially been destroyed, and it could've been the graves of legendary black Americans too if it hadn't been caught. The white man stiffs black swimmers, sick the dogs on them, blacks desecrate their own en masse and it's just another back page story.

Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2009

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Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2009

Good observation Teatab

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Interesting observation. It must be due to human evolution. Anglos developed in a harsh , savage northern climate. They had to be conquerors. Taking land, resources, adapting and evolving weaponry. What we witness in Philly is just one more example of their territorialism. Often I've wondered what makes them that way and I think the answer lies in an honest scientific study. Meanwhile..I hope the lawsuits go forth in Philly.

Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2009

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Posted: Saturday, July 11, 2009

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Whites get away with so much with so little consequences, and it is time for this to be addressed. What no one wants to address is that there is an underlying psychology socialized into Whites that makes them - at the root - very sick. (I don't mean 'sick' as in 'twisted' as much as I mean 'sick' in terms of a form of mental illness like megalomania.) And I am one White person who is not ashamed to admit that this happens.

I spend time nearly every day researching articles about racist incidents from all over the world, and I can tell you that NO GROUP can even come close in terms of frequency and number of incidents as Whites do. And further, I find Whites accused and/or convicted of incidents against EVERY OTHER GROUP, while other groups tend to attack just certain other groups (e. Palestinians attacking Jews). There is a sick psychology that is ingrained into Whites, not biologically, but by culture, media, education, religion, etc. and the evidence surrounds us... yet it is ignored. Instead we find it more interesting to discuss all the effects of White racism on other groups and therefore focus on the victims rather than the perpetrators.

I, for one, am sick and tired of every racial incident a White commits against an African American resulting in specials on CNN et al focusing on the challenges the African American community faces. Why the heck do we want to talk about the challenges the African American community faces because of what Don Imus said? Or because some White guys dragged an African American to death behind their pick up. Or White jurists acquitted police officers for savagely beating an African American man... or killing one with way too many bullets? Shouldn't we be talking about White psychology in those instances? Isn't THAT what CNN et al should be doing a special on after those occurrences?

How about a tv special or article that deals with the fears that have been socialized into these Whites who are afraid to let African Americans swim in their pool. There are specific and repeated examples throughout US and European history of how African peoples were/are portrayed as diseased, unclean, etc. How about someone tells White people that these ideas have been put in their heads?????

Posted: Saturday, July 11, 2009

The pool incident

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I do read some of the comments before I post and in this case I have to disagree with some of the posts here. Why should we be telling our children as to what to expect white folks will do or say? Are they telling their children to expect what black folks will do or say? No, I don't think so. The bottom line is we have to educate our children widely to let them know that they are equal in this country and everything their comrade could do, they could do better. For example the minute the little boy opened his mouth to say what he said to the little girl, my 7 year old daughter would have told him she loves her skin and she does not have to sit in the sun like his mama to get a tan, OK! We have to streghten our kids to meet the demands of the world today both academically and socially. And as far as the pool with the type of money blacks have today we should of have our own pool anyway! We don't need no damn white folks country club pool. We need open community pools where everyone can go as American citizens. And this is what we fight for, equality for our children!

Posted: Friday, July 10, 2009

Shame on the parents

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You know I say shame on the parents of this child for not preparing them for the fight that they will have in life. Don’t come wining with your Wah wah wah about racism when you knew just by a mere glimpse of history what was in store for you. And what really surprises me is that much of the fuels that whites use to make anti black remarks come from other Black people. "Togetherness, it is all I'm after"

Posted: Friday, July 10, 2009

I saw on the news...

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last night one little black boy that they interviewed about the incident. It broke my heart that he had to experience something like this at such a young age. He looked so hurt (and a bit mad) that this happened to him. Luckily, I saw that some other groups offered the use of their pools for these children. Right now the kids are swimming at a Jewish community groups' pool. I agree with butternut. Sue and build your own pool.

Posted: Friday, July 10, 2009

Solution to problem

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Not sure about the jist of this conversation (seems some stuff preceded this discussion?) but I did read about this incident though not on The Root.

My suggestion solution to the pool incident, sue the idiots and use the settlement to build a pool at the camp.

As to the comment by the little white boy, I feel for you, cant even begin to know how one addresses this as a parent at that age.