Obama Goes to Chuuuuuuuurch at NAACP Convention

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Obama was preaching at the pul--er podium last night, focusing much of his discussion on education and what the Black community needs to do in his address to the NAACP convention.

He got worked into a pretty good lather too, talking about what we need to do and how we need to focus on personal responsibility and accountability, even going as far as to say we need to go back to whoopin' knucklehead kids, whether they're our kids or not.

That was a bit of a cringer moment, but it can be reasoned that he was using an extreme example to make his overall point. Plus, he was in a room full of old Black folks who totally ate it up.

Peep the speech transcript at Politico.

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don't wear it. whywould a parent that is doing the right thing take the criticism to heart from wherever it comes from when it is not warranted. okay, you're working rearing your kifs; that's your reward, you're not getting cookie from me.

it's like sidney poitier said in 'guess who's coming to dinner' when his father tried to make him feel obligated to him because he had carried a bag as a mailman to support his son through medical school. sidney told him point blank and cold turkey, 'that was your JOB.'

Truer words have not been spoken; that is your 'reward' seeing your kids grow and mature, self-productive citizens. that's what you're obligated to do when you bring children into the world. want an attaboy, get a dog.

Obama and Cosby don't need to compliment you about doing what you're supposed to do. grow up!

I think that he hit the nail on the head. He was not negating the fact that there are many black parents that do right by their children. He was focusing on the ones that do not do the right thing and do not go to the meetings and do not help with homework and who for some odd reason actually tell their children to quit school.People need to stop being so thinned skinned and look at the big picture. Stop taking everything so personally . If he was not talking to you or your neighbor then don't say he left you out in the conversation. When someone generalizes things it is usually because they don't want to just single out a particular faction . It is generally because of time constraints . Continue to do well by your children and do all that you can to help those that don't have parents that are active in their education or their lives for that matter. Both the President and Mr. Cosby spoke the truth and I don't have a problem with either of them. If the shoe fits then wear it. As it was said in church last Sunday " If you agree with what is being said say amen , but if the speaker steps on your toes, say ouch and change your ways accordingly ". To this speech and that of the others that are telling the truth , I proudly say AMEN !!!

Here is my problem with the whole personal responsibility thing. I understand what the president is saying, but my biggest problem is that he talks to black folks as though we are a monolith. Yes parents should encourage their kids, and many do. Herein lies the problem with that part of the speech. Obama (and let me add Cosby and others) never acknowledge that there are plenty folks in the black community who are providing support and the proper home training for their children. We are helping our kids with their homework and attending PTA meetings on a regular basis. Why don't they ever acknowledge us? We are invisible and should not be to our own people. The gross generalizations should stop. Obama is more nuanced than that and needs to stop generalizing about Black parenting.

instill a sense of individual responsibility in our community, especially among black men?

I have absolutely no clue unless there are mandatory classes, say, when your kid lands in jail, you've got to go to xx hours of parenting classes.

And how would we possibly be immune to the societal influences of the U.S. considering we were born here, as were our parents and their parents - unlike immigrants who come here with their own culture. Like we have some sort of magical immunity or something; we're not special like that.

We're worse off than the immigrant because we have no cultural roots to fall back upon. What do the majority of us know about Africa and African culture aside from what we read, see on tv or learn from African immigrants.

I appreciate your honesty about your friends.

On an individual level things will be tough, but our community has to begin to stop thinking on an individual level anyway. The minute we adopted this from America is the minute our community went into "Me Me Me" mold. As an individual as especially men we must stop encouraging this promiscuity as we have been. Most of my friends have two and three kids by different mothers who they don't get along with. Often times as a teen they shared with me the last woman they played or slept with, guy stories and I treated it as if it was a joke. I was unknowingly encouraging this type of behavior. I figured that since my father and mother taught me to treat women right and that I wasn't running around like them then everything was all good. I've learned that even though I was only a silent witness and even laughed at the jokes this was enough to encourage it. I wonder if I would've just one time said to my best friend. "Hey, I know it seems cool to treat women like that, but it is not right would he began to think of it differently. At the same time how many men are willing to risk being the uncool one to do the right thing. I am willing now, but I wasn't then even though I new what they were doing was wrong.

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you're saying.

But how do we accomplish this, as you say, on an individual, door to door, relative to relative, when it is not being done?

How can we put pressure on fathers step up and marry the mothers of their children? Especially when the culture obviously does not shun fathers who are absent.

Consider the following from TIME magazine about the lack of a family unit and the effect on children : http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1908243,00.html

The Marriage Gap
The poor and the middle class are very different in the ways they have forsaken marriage. The poor are doing it by uncoupling parenthood from marriage, and the financially secure are doing it by blasting apart their unions if the principals aren't having fun anymore.

The growing tendency of the poor to have children before marriage — the vast majority of unmarried women having babies are undereducated and have low incomes — is a catastrophic approach to life, as three Presidents in a row have tried to convince them. Bill Clinton's welfare-to-work program encouraged marriage, George W. Bush spent millions to promote marriage, and Barack Obama has spoken powerfully on the need for men to stay with their children: "We need fathers to step up, to realize that their job does not end at conception; that what makes you a man is not the ability to have a child but the courage to raise one."

The reason for these appeals to lasting unions is simple: on every single significant outcome related to short-term well-being and long-term success, children from intact, two-parent families outperform those from single-parent households. Longevity, drug abuse, school performance and dropout rates, teen pregnancy, criminal behavior and incarceration — if you can measure it, a sociologist has; and in all cases, the kids living with both parents drastically outperform the others.

Few things hamper a child as much as not having a father at home. "As a feminist, I didn't want to believe it," says Maria Kefalas, a sociologist who studies marriage and family issues and co-authored a seminal book on low-income mothers called Promises I Can Keep: Why Poor Women Put Motherhood Before Marriage. "Women always tell me, 'I can be a mother and a father to a child,' but it's not true." Growing up without a father has a deep psychological effect on a child. "The mom may not need that man," Kefalas says, "but her children still do."

This turns out to be true across the economic spectrum. The groundbreaking research on the effects of divorce on children from middle- and upper-income households comes from a surprising source: a Princeton sociologist and single mother named Sara McLanahan, who decided to study the fates of these children with the tacit assumption that once you control for income, being part of a single-parent household does not adversely affect kids. The results — which she published in the 1994 book Growing Up with a Single Parent: What Hurts, What Helps — were surprising. "Children who grow up in a household with only one biological parent," she found, "are worse off, on average, than children who grow up in a household with both of their biological parents, regardless of the parents' race or educational background."

The consequences for more-affluent kids tend to be far less devastating than for poor ones; they are less likely to become teenage parents and high school dropouts. But children of divorced middle-class parents do less well in school and at college compared with underprivileged kids from two-parent households. "There's a 'sleeper effect' to divorce that we are just beginning to understand," says David Blankenhorn, president of the Institute for American Values.

It is an effect that pioneering scholars like McLanahan and Judith Wallerstein have devoted their careers to studying, revealing truths that many of us may find uncomfortable. It's dismissive of the human experience, says Blankenhorn, to suggest that kids don't suffer, extraordinarily, from divorce: "Children have a primal need to know who they are, to love and be loved by the two people whose physical union brought them here. To lose that connection, that sense of identity, is to experience a wound that no child-support check or fancy school can ever heal."

The list is not really in order of priority. I just used the numbers to separate the points. On an individual basis we can take the time to get involved in our child's lives a little deeper. Turn the t.v. off and get our kids to read. The books at the library are free and there are good authors that teach history also see www.teachblackhistory.com. Lots of free sources on the web. We should began to use the media sources that are already in our homes and have quick easy access to teach our kids. Instead of myspace and youtube; etc... Find educational games for our kids to be on like. http://www.brightmoments.com/blackhistory/ This one has African American history games.

On an individual level we must take control over what images are forced in front of our children every day.

All noble aims/goals, but what can be done on an immediate individual HOME level, especially given the lack of males (why #3 on your list?) living in the homes with these children?

"Make it a point to support black businesses. Start keeping our dollars in our community."

Big problem here. We have got to shake "conspicuous consumption." WAY TOO MUCH of OUR MONEY is going to enrich other peoples communities. I conceded defeat to "the Joneses" a long time ago.

Thanks for the words of encouragement.

Solutions:

1. Make it a point to support black businesses. Start keeping our dollars in our community. This will help pay for better schools and resources, henceforth greater education. Henceforth greater upward mobility toward getting our people out of poverty.

2. By supporting businesses in our community we are supporting businesses that are more likely to hire us, more jobs means less poverty and less crime.

3. MEN: Re-define what we tell our sons manhood is. We have taught that manhood is about how many women you sleep with, cars you drive and clothes you where. We must teach that manhood is about the legacy you leave behind, how well you equip your children with the tools to succeed here in this life. It is also about how well you treat your mother and sister henceforth teaching your daughter how she deserves to be treated.

Even in the young singer Trey Songz they're teaching, " I want the money, the cars, the h*s, the clothes. I just wanna be successful."

We've got to get rid of this false image of success. Which brings me to the next part of the solution.

4. Regain control of the images our children see. Create our own media outlets to show the images of us that are more accurate and show the positive and not just the negatives. That is why I start www.soulurtv.fliggo.com. We may not be able to afford to create a tv station, but we can do things via the web very cheap. That is where our kids are looking anyway.

Summary:

Regain control of our education, economy and image.

Keep doing what you're doing: being a good, responsible person.

And talk up among your co-workers and family, to your union (if you have one) and in church (if you belong to one). Let them know your feelings.

Obama will respond only to pressure, and if that starts percolating up, we may see some changes in his behavior.

In the meantime, keep your eyes open for elected people at the local level who can help with that upward pressure -- even if it's at the school board or town council level. Better yet, become one of those people yourself.

I know, with all we have to do to keep it together for ourselves, it's difficult to get active. But even if it's just talking on the phone -- which we all do, anyway -- make politics and policy part of the conversation.

We have to start somewhere!

debate whether the president is a sellout, bourgeois, house negro all we want but the bottom line is that the black community is inflicting a lot of self-imposed pain.

When 70% of our children are growing up in homes without a mother AND father unit.

When 50% of our children are dropping out of HIGH SCHOOL.

When we have allowed the rampant selling of drugs and accumulation of guns leading to murder in numbers the Klan could only dream about to occur unchecked in our communities under the guise of a self-destructive 'no snitchin' ethos espoused by our media sources (i.e. rap muisic.)

I am so tired of black people using the fact that white folks make baby mommas, sell/do drugs, shoot each other, drop out of school, populate the jails, etc. as an excuse for us to remain in the muck and mire instead of striving for the excellence that was our hallmark back when we had to sit on the back of the bus. We are moving backwards!

Yes, the deck has been stacked against black people by white folks, but what is the alternative. (and what else is new about this.) African Americans have been moving backwards sice King and Malcolm were assassinated. And the village died eons ago since Americans move a lot more than we used to; that's just the nature of our society.

So, instead of placing blame and going in a circle, the question is, how do we impose upon our people that their number one priority must be the rearing, education and caring of our children - which far too many of us are NOT doing. Raising kids is HARD work and not to be taken lightly.

And this is the root cause of our condition; we have abdicated our responsibility as adults to making sure our children are number one.

So what solutions can anybody in this discussion offer to make sure that the caring of the children is front and center in the black household. I for one am stumped.

Here's a valid link, please let me know if it isn't working or you have issues. My e-mail is dredio05@yahoo.com;
http://soulurtv.fliggo.com/

I'm really going to have to force myself to listen to Obama's NAACP speech. I'm not looking forward to it. From the headlines and briefs I've read, it looks like it's another one of his black-people-ain't-no good speeches. White folks and middle class African Americans just eat them up. He never has anything good to say about blacks whether they are American or African. I'm African American, low-income and a hard-working good person. Why can't he say something more encouraging to people like me?

I'm with you U Professor. Obama is tired!

Brother Viking,

Here a few things you might consider doing (if you haven't done so already):

1. Explain to your boy that he's valued and loved.

2. Let him know that kids can be immature, ignorant (that all of us, including him, come from Africa), and angry (at a world that doesn't appear to value them, especially if they're black).

3. Speak to the school's principal about discussing the issues of bigotry and harassment with kids and parents, and volunteer to do it yourself (if you feel you can do so within your comfort level).

4. Before embarking on (3), contact sociologists and psychologists at the University of Chicago to help you prepare for these discussions so that they're well-balanced and fair to all involved (and possibly inviting one or two to accompany you -- faculty do have kids in the local schools).

5. Ask your son if any of the kids calling him "white boy" are his friends, and if so, speak to their parents directly, as calmly as you can. Some will be put off. Others will be shocked (and possibly deny their kids' behavior). And others will soberly take it in and bring it up with their kids (just as conscientious white parents would do after hearing about their kids calling out others on their race).

My best wishes to you and your son, my brother.

My grandmother used to say that Negroes (as was the term then) often suffered from a "crabs in a barrel" syndrome wherein when one made it to the top, others would grab it and bring it back down resulting in them all being kept down/in the barrel. The dialogue on Obama's speech reminds me of this analogy.

First, how is the African-American community supposed to progress when it can't have a respectful internal or external dialogue? We don't have to agree - that's one of the beauties of America - but we certainly can get more accomplished if we learn to converse constructively. In this spirit, I offer a few thoughts.

Think about Obama's role - he's POTUS, not President of the African-American Community, so it's in our long-term interest that his behavior reflects this. Ultimately, though the progress may not be as equitably distributed as we would like, generally speaking, moving America forward benefits the AA community. This is Obama's charge, not to be "real." Actually, if you sit in his seat, think about having to address the volume of staggeringly complex issues that comes with the role, consider the myriad constituencies that seek to influence you and whom you seek to influence and then start trying to make some decisions and have them play out correctly (which means working with Congress, et. al.), you have a sense why not everything he does seems particularly AA-centric.

What I am sure of is that his experience as a Person of Color affects the way that Obama makes decisions and, generally, is better for other POC than his 43 predecessors (Clinton included) who had no such personal experience. I also accept that as a practical matter of politics, he will have to disappoint virtually every different constituency on numerous occasions. Accordingly, it behooves us to give him the benefit of the doubt and accept that not every item on any of our agendas will be at the top of his at any given time or that he will choose to address our issue in the way that we prefer. The real question is is he getting the big picture items right? Focusing on health care, education reform, etc., seems like it will help the less advantaged and POC far more than the primary focus of the previous administration, tax cuts for the rich. So I'll cut him some slack on the minor points or style considerations as long as his focus is on the many rather than the few.

(Also, just consider how Detroiters now feel about their former hip-hop mayor. How effective was he in the long run at advocating effectively for his overwhelmingly AA constituents? It may have felt great to have a homeboy in the mayoral mansion, but I'm pretty sure that most residents would have preferred a greater focus on attracting more capital that leads to investment that leads to jobs, a notable gap in that administration's "record.")

The key here is that Obama had a dual message, one that we should appreciate and help him to spread: the secret to greater success for the AA community is both more personal responsibility and more collective societal responsibility for more equitable access to opportunity. In other words, the secret to the AA community's success is the same as it has been for virtually every other group in American society: do your very best with what you have and then use this full engagement to lobby for more. Personal responsibility and societal responsibility are a mandatory combination because neither is sufficient on its own.

Many more AAs will make it in this society if they fully utilize the (generally lesser) resources available to them, though still not enough for the community as a whole to be satisfied. And if the society suddenly becomes far more fair (presumably by removing or otherwise ameliorating structural barriers) but AAs are not used to competing, they will not be able to take much advantage of the ehanced opportuniity. So we need both greater self-directed AA commitment to (mainstream) success and more broad-minded commitment and action to the society as a whole to eradicate structural barriers to success that disproportionately affect the less advantaged and POC. Professor William Julius Wilson addresses this insightfully in his recent book More than Race.

And along the way, let's figure out how to be conflict-proficient, which means, among other things, that we will listen carefully and respectfully to each other, focus on the areas in which we agree and then agree to disagree agreeably on the rest. In this way we will all move forward, getting some but not all of the things that we want and find that, mindful of history, there will always be disagreements in the course of progress (remember the final five years of King's life post-I Have a Dream when he was considered too moderate and off-message because he began to focus on the economic aspects of equality and protested the Vietnam War?). In this way, we can hold Obama and ourselves accountable on both fronts - evidencing more personal responsibility in communities of color and leveling the playing field for all people in this society (which, of course, will disproportionately benefit the less advantaged and POC).

jabber

In our culture we have taken the negatives and turned them into our positives. Soul food derived from left-overs given to us by white slave-owners who wouldn't eat that garbage. Sagging pants did evolve from prison which is heavily populated with political prisoners who look just like me, so we have adopted a clothing posture similar to theirs to show the world that not only in prisons are they trapped, but in our own ghettos we are also trapped. I'm not saying everything the youth does is right, especially not me, because life is about learning. I'm also not saying my elders were wrong. I'm saying my elders have habit of misinterpreting movements. Martin said, we needed to be integrated into power, but somehow we've been integrated out of power. We now have a President who looks like us, but cannot run the country like we'd like to see it ran because the power structure in America, corporately and politically is still the same and does not resemble us. I am young and naive at times, but anyone who thinks that this country intends on yielding equal footing and power to the poor is even more naive. Anyone who thinks hip hop is the only problem is more naive. The lack of fatherhood is not brand new, this issue started with the taking of black manhood hundreds of years ago, when Harriet Jacobs as a slave girl was raped even after she married a free black man and there was nothing he could do about it. Her story is very common and the young black men of today have learned to exploit and disrespect our women in every way and this issue must be address. When we disrespect our mothers, daughters and sisters we disrespect ourselves and the very life that comes from them. The power structure in this world never intended on Dr. King's dream and likely never will. See the book "Exterminate the Brute" by Sven Lindqvist. The intention was extermination or re-programming into a more suitable usable being. In the book they even write about a future in which the last negro dies and they rejoice. Darwin and other scientist supported the ideas that we were inferior and would be exterminated . To attempt a full trusting integration with a power structure that doesn't believe you should exist is naive. The Native Americans had those same naive dreams.... Israel refuses to deal with Iran because of this attitude, yet we African Americans sit by and take it. It seems as if the election of our First African American President instead of lighting a match has caused complacency. I love the work of the NAACP however, they should add a place on their site for activist and citizens to network in order to become more relevant to today's youth. I didn't mean to disrespect any of my elders, because this generational divide can hold many back. I've heard everyone's words here and have learned much and hopefully I've sparked something with my young naive eager to work zeal.

Sincerely to all Umoja,

Andre Spivey
Spivey Progressive Investments L.L.C.

"White Boy" is incredibly offensive. It's always used in disparaging fashion by other fourth graders towards my nine year old son at his majority minority school here in Hyde Park. I can't figure out why the other kids refer to my beautiful blond haired blue eyed boy that way,unless it's taught at home that it's okay....

The President said:

"So, I know what can happen to a child who doesn't have that chance. But I also know what can happen to a child who does. I was raised by a single mother. I don't come from a lot of wealth. I got into my share of trouble as a kid. My life could easily have taken a turn for the worse. But that mother of mine gave me love; she pushed me, and cared about my education; she took no lip and taught me right from wrong. Because of her, I had a chance to make the most of my abilities. I had the chance to make the most of my opportunities. I had the chance to make the most of life."

U. Professor said:

"He compares his mother to a lower-class, single black mother? With her race privilege, college degrees, and asset-holding parents-at-the-ready"

I say:

Didn't the President have the benefit of a college-degreed white mother, a white grandfather who owned a furniture store, and a white grandmother who was a bank vice president in the 1970s? Didn't his white grandparents use their connections to get him admitted to the most prestigious prep school in Hawaii?

I think that it is unfair for him to compare his biracial/white advantages to that of a black teenage boy coming from Compton or Bed-Stuy.

To dredio05 and The Black Whole -- no one has all the answers. You make that charge against your elders as if it's the ultimate put-down. I'll chalk it up to youthful naivette that you even said such a thing. It's a given that no one has all the answers.

Dred -- you talk about sagging pants as part black culture. I thought sagging pants was part of prison culture carried over to the streets by ex-offenders who have gotten out.

I would point out also that success in life is really about much more than just making money -- it's really about making a difference. That's not to say that making money isn't necessary and isn't a good thing. But if money is all that's driving your ambition I would say you're more of white assimilationist than any of the black men you cite could ever be. The kind of obession with materialism we see among rappers and the like in today's pop culture is straight out of the white man's capitalist greed play book.

Thanks for the props, Brother Black Whole!

Obama is the latest incarnation of a long line of higher-class black folks putting down their lower-class brethren.

He compares his mother to a lower-class, single black mother? With her race privilege, college degrees, and asset-holding parents-at-the-ready?

Give us a break!

And the man's hardly progressive. Check his record on Bush/Cheney's "war on terror." It's the same! Or his military expenditures. They're HIGHER than B/C's!

In the meantime poor and working Americans of all colors are losing their homes, their jobs and neigborhoods.

Did 300 hundred years of African-American struggle and sacrifice have to lead to just another corporatist climber? (Check the fancy private school for his kids, the New York date night costing thousands, The President of France opening Paris shops on a Sunday for Michelle to go shopping.)

Maybe the next "black" president will be more than a stylish poseur.

And as for 2012, let's vote our conscience and interests, not color allegience! And if it means going third party, so be it.

your support of how Russell Simmons is bypassing all the "Uncle Tom brothers" and "helping out the masses" isn't shared by ALL of our community:

http://tinyurl.com/n9g46f

...but this "the point is that white runs the game" iz jus' outright pathetic.

Are you implying that anybody but whites made up the rules? They created the game and made up the rules so the odds favor the house. They created the educational system that breaks us down, starves us when we're young in our need for meaningful information and ingrains and enforces in us our inferiority and our need for their help. The more ignorant and aimlessly defiant we are, the more fuel we add to their fire that we're inferior and must be "protected".

You think the ruling white class wasn't happy to see the likes of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King go away and be replaced by a gaggle of angry young blacks who were "keeping it real" in plain clothes and military garb? The less dignified blacks were in their appearance and demeanor, the easier it was for whites to justify to others that we needed to be kept under control. And most of this information isn't even secret, it's hidden in plain sight in our libraries and on the internet; they aren't afraid of us finding it, either. You know why? Because they're confident they've won and they'll continue to win.

The only way we can win is by not giving them what they want. If we're able to talk their talk and walk their walk then they can't hide behind any justifications other than their hate; once it's out in the open we'll get to see how they deal under pressure because the eyes of the world will be watching. What they did to us 50 years ago won't happen so easily today or in the future.

Its a free world and you can do what you want to do but you would come off as more credible if you quit typing in Ebonics. Not that it matters to you but you are coming across as a stereotype.

and Dred...

I'm still waiting for a valid link to your "starup."

...b'cuz dredio05 n' U.Professor are Tottally On Point!

Az long az some Black folk think that it'z about assimulatin' 2 beat them white folks @ their game...yer jus' lettin' 'em take u OUTTA yer OWN Game. Simple az dat.

All due respect 2 our Elderz n' kdog...but they did NOT have all tha answerz...tho' they did AMAZINGLY WELL accomplishin' what they did over time n' space w/ their due diligence, intelligence, Innate Soul, n' their ACTIONZ. We ALL can Learn from THAT...n' We don't care what color u are or think u are.

N' there can EZily be mo' than 1 legitimate argument made that both the tie-wearin' MLK, Jr. n' Obama were/are simply lackeys 4 the largely white arranged n' oriented apparati that funded 'em.

But that "my way or the highway" approach that many a' our elderz cling 2 iz clearly NOT WORKIN' n' IZ a good part a' tha reason why the NAACP findz itself on tha ropez (if not life-support) w/ tha responsible, hard-workin' people a' my generation (X) n' tha younger folk!

Hearin' this kinda old-school nonsense from Obama...a former n' admitted weed-smoker n' coke user, himself (like gwb/twb/that white boy)...IZ RATHER TIRED ALREADY.

He'd Better Wize Up Quickly...or get by-pass'd. Jus' b'cuz he didn't have hiz own daddy in hiz life dudn't mean that ev'ry Black man here sufferz from hiz same issuez. N' we will NOT be votin' 4 'im next time, if he dudn't get over it soon.

On tha subject a' by-passin': Russell Simmons haz bypass'd so many of them brooks brothers suit-wearin' bourgeois negroes claimin' much, but signifyin' nuthin' that we lost count LONG ago. Given both his political and philanthropic work in addition 2 hiz material success...we'll gladly take this sidewayz baseball cap-wearin' brotha otha over EV'RY last "polite" negro bowin' n' scrapin' 2 anybody 4 a job...let alone bowin', scrapin', n' assimulatin' w/ the very folk who can't stand u...n' not b'cuz we're inferior. Quite tha Opposite, in fact...they can't stand us b'cuz they see us az both competition n' a threat 2 their jobz/livelihoodz. Simple az dat.

Ev'rythang else iz jus' the typical sorry-ass white boy rhetoric...jus' like u've been hearin' from all thoze crusty, old "illustrious (n' toothless) lions" in the senate this week.

So...we should dress, speak, n' be like them?! Puh-leaze.

We can do our job enrollin' studentz into readin' programz...in our bunny slipperz...n' often come close 2 doin' jus' that @ the office. We are in the TOP 10% a' Top Producerz in the company (outta over 225+ salespeople who started the season back in March...n' who are now no longer w/ the company). We tweak A LOT a' nosez w/ both our political beliefz (which we don't hide or shy away from) n' our casual attire. We bring in, however, anywhere b/t $15K-$35K per MONTH in Highly document'd revenue (Yes...in THIS economy = ) 2 the company...So we couldn't bs u on this, even if we were so inclined...which we are not.

We ALREADY work hard. Obama'z stated agenda would be much better served if he would only expand the warmed over "personal responsibility" pitch he keepz givin' us 2 EV'RYONE...yet we have yet 2 hear him do tha same w/ any effectiveness w/ the likes of thoze losers @ aig, goldman sachs, the sec, and hiz own treasury dept.

Fix the schoolz...which meanz throwin' out a WHOLE LOTTA LAZY white teacherz (n' we know this b'cuz we've had 2 train 'em how 2 motivate n' teach tha studentz they're 'spozed 2 serve how 2 read better...n' many have told us through either their passive aggressive actionz or directly that "they don't want to work that hard"). N', yes...that'z a true life actual quote from mo' than one white teacher "teachin'" Black n' Brown kidz here in the Oakland/Berkely/sf bay area.

N', finally...@ freakydeaky: Normally we REALLY Dig what u write...but this "the point is that white runs the game" iz jus' outright pathetic. Iz that how u live?! If so...pleaze keep it @ home n' don't spread "that disease" 2 tha next generation...b'cuz az we all can clearly see...it'z already killin' off tha current one!

We need 2 teach kidz 2 have a conscience, consiousness...n' yes, accountability...on their own termz...not some white boys'.

Jus' sayin'...

= )
--TBW

Uh...We Takin' Over.
http://theblackwhole.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/xxx-tra-special-96-the-guy...

Why do we get upset when someone tells us that we have to get a handle on our children? What is wrong with speaking correctly? How can anyone have a problem with walking down the street with pride and without fear of tripping over your pants?

Once Obama became President, many of us pointed to our televisions and said "I told you that you can be anything." Unfortunately, some of us aren't doing anything to help our children get there. How can we help our children become better people if every Friday our children hear us talking about "getting our drink on?" How can they become better people if parents are doing drugs? How can they become better people if parents are absent?

It's not just our children who have to become more responsible. Some parents are seriously lacking in this department.

Our children will be left behind for good if we do not take advantage of this opportunity.

Wow, Dred [sigh]...

Kudos, Pres.

"OUR ELDERS DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER OR THEY WOULD"VE FIXED THE PROBLEMS ALREADY. CLEARLY OUR BEAT THE CHILD METHOD DIDN'T WORK!!!"

Our elders did have the answer. It looks like you ain't hearing it though.

"I let my pants hang low, but I own a real estate investment company and a starup website i-soultv.com"

Got a valid link to your "starup?"

Perhaps you've forgotten that Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr, much like President Obama, wore suits and ties and had their pants pulled up. But they were all just Uncle Tommin' weren't they?

The best way to keep from getting shot is not to hand your enemy a loaded weapon then stand at point blank range. If you dress how they dress, learn what they learn, speak how they speak, be methodical with your thoughts and ideas and conduct yourself honorably to the best of your abilities at all times then they have no other way to dismiss you other than 1) a genuine disagreement with your point of view, or 2) their own irrational racism. Once you've reduced them to that you've got them on the run. Whether that's "being white" or not isn't the point, the point is that white runs the game. If you buck the system, they win, the only way we get a piece is by beating them at their own game.

By the way, there are a lot of white kids with bad hair, tight jeans and tattoos/piercings over 50% of their body who won't be moving up in the world either, so it ain't all about racism.

to dredio05, the Panthers went through what they did in the 60s precisely so that the generations that followed did not have to take the same path. The Panthers and other groups paved the way so succeeding generations could take it to the next level.

I am always amused when black folks are critical of those telling black youth to pull up their pants, talk properly, etc. because, lest we forget, even white youth must do the same if they wish to be hired for employment. Like it or not, we are often judged by our appearance.

And much as I adminre Russel for his business acumen, with a high school dropout rate approaching 50% and an astronomical unemployment rate in general, a grown, 40+ year old man wearing sneakers and a hat slapped sideways on his head, is that really the image that black youth need projected to them? Especially given the lack of male role models and single parent, female-headed households in our community?

This ain't rocket science, people.

And those who are doing positive things, especially in the entrepreneurial arena, need to quit perpetrating that nonsense about letting it all hang out. (Not to single you out, dred, but since you put it on front street, I'll bet you're not sagging when you're at a bank trying to get that business loan or having a busines meeting with someone - regardless of their race.)

Now until black folks own the businesses in our communities or until there is a real 60s style revolution, that way it is will continue to be the way it is. (I doubt that revolution is coming since the current crop of Americans won't even support an anti-war rally.)

The President charged ALL Americans to step up and stop making excuses! I appreciate that. I only wish he could make that same speech at a Section 8 or Food Stamp office. I want all people to be motivated and inspired, not just the educated or civic minded.

I think I am about to write a letter....

Good job, Mr. President!

There more Obama speaks, the more tiresome he gets.

Speaking of responsibility, why doesn't he hold government torturers responsible for breaking American and international laws?

Or insist banks like Goldman Sachs use taxpayer money for something other than fat hand outs to executives? (Average compensation this year: $700,000 -- 35-times the nation's median household income. And that runs into the tens of millions for top execs!)

Or hold Congress responsible for representing the people by passing universal, single payer health-care; fair union laws (See today's headlines? "Moderate" Democrats have eviscerated that one!); and full civil rights, including marriage and the right to serve openly in the armed forces, for our "gay brothers and sisters" (as he calls them).

And finally, now that he, a black man, is president, why doesn't he tell "white" America there are no excuses for discrimination against blacks and other people of color in education, housing and employment? And for white people's widespread assumption of black inferiority?

Guess all that would be taking on the powerful instead of the weak. And it's so much easier to hector the weak, isn't it?

The real point is pulling up pants, cutting those dreads, wearing what they consider approporate are merely reflections of us trying to be like white America. Please clear me up because here's how I'm interpreting my elders:

Pull your pants up to get a job. white people wont hire you if you don't.
Talk properly because they wont hire you. Get along to go along.
We wont hire you either if you don't conform.
We have adopted the white American way of life and you youngsters should try to do so also.

Malcolm would've shunned that message. he owld've simply said. We need to take control how our kids are educated, then we'll have control of our own economy and our image throughout the rest of the world.
CONFORMITY if for the fearful we need to build our own. What kind of people are willing to lose themsleves and their culture to acheive a way of life based on the perception of a White America who look down even on Barack. Stop feeling like we need them, where are my elders like; Assata Shakur, Huey P Newton, Malcolm X, Nina Simone.

Get some pride, here you have coming uip the most independant, entreprnuer generation of Young, Gifted and Black generations ever and instead of being proud we're worried about saggy pants.
Nelly sags his pants and runs a multi-million dollar corporations, Russell Simmons,.....the list is ridiculous.

I let my pants hang low, but I own a real estate investment company and a starup website i-soultv.com (taking back our image)

How we dress means nothing, but how we think means everything and it is sad that we think conforming and assimilating will gain us respect. Standing firm on our culture, even the aspects that white America hates and fears, that is repectin ourselves, that's how you get respect. YOU TAKE IT. BLACK PANTHER STYLE.

MOST IMPORTANTLY:

OUR ELDERS DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER OR THEY WOULD"VE FIXED THE PROBLEMS ALREADY. CLEARLY OUR BEAT THE CHILD METHOD DIDN'T WORK!!!

Amazing speech... just wish he could talk like this to white people as well. I don't think people are looking for excuses - they are looking for jobs, money for college, and health care.

Also wish he said something about not snitchin. That whole business is only hurting us.

President Obama's message to the NAACP and the Black community as a whole was outstanding but I wish he had directly stated to our young sons that there is No Excuse for not pulling up their pants and to do so as the first step toward taking personal responsibility to realize their own potential.

JC3

Personal responsibility! The NAACP should be leading the charge in encouraging our community to help ourselves! The enemy is not out there! It's in our own community!